There must be something in the water that makes Seattleites love to debate transit issues, and you can read a rich sampling of vigorous pushing and shoving in the comments to
Dick Morrill's Crosscut article of Wednesday, June 20, attacking the Sound Transit 2 plan. Morrill,
an urban geographer, keeps alive a deep, if marginal, tradition of econometric attacks on the cost-benefits of transit, which goes all the way back to the critiques of the
Forward Thrust proposals for heavy rail in 1968.
In my view, Morrill is both right, in the sense that rail transit does very little to relieve congestion and probably costs more than improving bus systems, and wrong, in the larger social calculations. He also tends to overlook the political realities.
The case for transit is not an easy one to make for the voters. Costs are very high, and only a few of the voters live near enough to the lines to get much direct benefit. The trickle-down case is difficult to make, especially since expensive transit systems usually force cutbacks in bus service to pay for the rails. So it's not surprising that the case is invariably oversold. One of the worst ways it is oversold is to urge people to imagine that these first baby steps, or "starter lines," will someday grow into a full system, as in larger, older cities.
Ain't gonna happen. The general rule is that only cities with densities of more than 10,000 people per square mile pass the threshold for extensive use of public transportation systems. That qualifies only New York and Chicago, which account for a large percentage of all public transportation in America. Seattle's density, for its urbanized area, is about 3,000 people per square mile. Moreover, public transportation becomes dominant only in the downtown business districts of these cities.
A second dubious claim is that rail is a step forward over buses. In fact,
the history of American cities, including Seattle, is that streetcar lines were converted into much less expensive, more flexible, and more extensive bus lines. As bus systems decay, due to cuts in public subsidies and other ailments of large government bureaucracies, they come to seem dated and worn out, whereupon the pendulum of wishful thinking swings back to rail.
That said, there is a real case to be made for rail transit. The real benefits of rail are not to be found by doing passenger counts and narrow economic calculations of cost per mile. Let me list three, all of which are harder to quantify and two of which are politically awkward to tout.
One benefit is that rail, being thought socially superior to buses, attracts riders from affluent areas who would not ride buses but will shift (in small numbers) from cars to rail. It's an awkwardly elitist argument. A further problem with it is that rail is normally put first in lower-income areas where it is thought to stimulate investment and to remedy social injustices. In running
Sound Transit's first line down Rainier Valley, Seattle is following this normal pattern. Ridership will be somewhat disappointing, but the second phase,
northward and to the Eastside, will attract new riders, and not just former bus riders.
The second benefit, a little less awkward to proclaim, is that rail lines trigger economic investment and real estate plays. A story in the June 20
Wall Street Journal, "
A Streecar Named Aspire: Lines Aim to Revive Cities" [$], notes how streetcars, like
the one in Portland that stimulated a boom in the Pearl District (a claimed $2.7 billion in new investment) and
the new one abuilding in Seattle's South Lake Union neighborhood, are catnip to developers. The cuter the streetcars, the better for iconic purposes (even if they are so slow and of such small capacity that the federal government is loath to fund them). They may be even better stimulants to development than stadiums, convention centers, and aquariums (granted, a pretty easy standard to beat). Once again, the politics of this claim is tricky, since enriching the portfolios of real estate developers through public subsidies is not the sure path to the City Council.
The third benefit is urban planning: Rail stations tend to concentrate growth and can create walkable, compact, fairly self-sufficient nodes of residential and office buildings. Theoretically, that is. In reality, the stations often go in existing urban nodes (like downtown Bellevue or the University District). Where they create stations in areas that are not dense, often the political price of that location is that you cannot upzone, build big parking lots for park-and-ride, or otherwise put a sleepy neighborhood on a crash course to high density. Sound Transit, as well as the dead Seattle Monorail Project, have both been very reluctant to talk about upzoning around their stations, for fear of touching off political rebellions. But still, over time, by being very fixed and therefore a predictable node for long-term real estate speculation, rail stations do create new concentrations to focus growth a little better.
So there are cost-benefit cases to be made for investing in rail, even if hard to quantify, tricky to state publicly, and very slow to pay off. Whether the Seattle proposals,
to be voted on this November, really do add up to wise investments when you count the broader, more amorphous benefits, is not easy to say. I'd bet they do.
Meanwhile, the politics of transit is also shifting. Roused by global climate change imperatives, environmentalists are losing confidence that a few short rail lines will do much to curtail auto use, as long pretended, and so are looking at more powerful medicine, such as taking away highway lanes and
imposing lots of tolls. This shift, in turn, jeopardizes the political juggernaut that has long driven the quest for rail. Unions like the billions of dollars for construction jobs, downtown interests like the additional shoppers and workers and tourists rail can facilitate, and greens naturally like something that challenges the automobile. If you put together a coalition of unions, greens, and downtown power brokers, you have the classic formula for a winner in Seattle politics.
A counter approach, such as Morrill advocates, with more buses and more tolls, or one with bus rapid transit (a deft compromise with many rail-like advantages), might make economic sense. But it makes little political sense, at least so far, since it offers few construction jobs and makes the downtown types very worried that the tolls will discourage driving to downtown jobs and stores.
Add this up and you have a classic Seattle political stalemate. The case for transit will get weaker but won't go away because of all the political benefits. And the case for a smarter, cheaper, more effective alternative has too few powerful interests behind it to get very far down the tracks. We can go on arguing indefinitely, as we love to do!
Comments:
Posted Fri, Jun 22, 7:13 a.m. Inappropriate
The case for transit is easier for voters if it's a type of transit that can reach more people.
Posted Fri, Jun 22, 7:56 a.m. Inappropriate
Instead our 'leaders' insist on browbeating constructive criticism as the 'route' to the future. Methinks instead we would do with better leaders and a political system that rewards ability instead of a system of very well engineered politically correct harrassment founded at the University of Washington.
Pay me a little now or pay me a lot later is a valid argument - on both sides of this coin.
What I think is important at this point is to start from a land use perspective and obtain the rights of ways in designated corridors, rather than having an expensive technology locking us into a single vendor, and whatever they wish to charge. Keeping our options open is the best way to go, and a bus/busway system is the most cost effective way to accomplish that.
We must also realize the reality of cars. The current proposal is totally out of whack in that regard. How about instead of building billions of dollars of white elephant technology to create urban centers we spend tens of millions to build park and ride lots that support our existing business districts?
Getting suburban riders into transit is tough, and, yes, rail does have a history of having some positive effect in that regard. That doesn't mean it is still a good, or wise, thing to do. The building of a rail system is an activity of multiple generations - and our capital planning should reflect that. We do need to improve transit coridors to the UW and the MLK Corridor - by doing so we not only build the foundations of a system to expand outward as current conditions merit but we also start to develop patterns of use with folks that in the course of their lives will remember their rides favorably. And we might just get a few folks from Ravenna, Madrona, and Seward Park to ride as well. And if we can get them, perhaps Lake City, Mercer Island, and Skyway will be next. Perhaps. But the only way that is going to happen is if they design something that is financially possible AND attracts riders. It is no different than life for any individual, don't expect to be made all in one single vote - you've got to earn it every step of the way.
Unfortunately we are not in a place right now where politeness to our incompetents is going to help us get out of this mess. It is time to start building the future by building a corps of realistic, effective, AND forward looking public servants. The only way we are going to do that is by holding our current leaders accountable to the same standards of law that they currently use to discredit their opponents.
Harsh, yes, neccessary, yes. As I said, pay us a little now or a whole lot later - like for instance, the complete failure of our way of life or a civic bankruptcy - which will come due for MY GENERATION. That you can bank on.
-Douglas Tooley
Tacoma, WA
Posted Fri, Jun 22, 8:25 a.m. Inappropriate
Been to downtown Bellevue lately? Have you seen all the job density in addition to the new housing density?
Light rail will be provide a much quicker commute along the proposed line than most any bus will. And it will be 100% reliable - which buses moving on congested roads can't be. It will also provide the capacity to move far more people than any comparably priced new highway will over the next 100 years. The ability of a train to open its doors and load and unload 700 people at once as opposed to the waits associated getting on and off the bus is another often overlooked rail benefit. It bus alternative to carry the type of capacity light rail will is a congested nightmare.
The roadbuilders would choose "bus rapid transit." But it is clear that it won't provide nearly the throughput that light rail will over time.
No one is proposing decreasing bus service around here to build light rail service. In fact. existing buses will be redeployed to serve even more people when the light rail takes the place of buses on some routes.
Why do you repeat elitist and tired old stereotypes about the Rainier Valley? Shame on you.
You seem stuck in time 20-30 years ago. You really need to do your homework before you write your next piece.
Posted Fri, Jun 22, 10:33 a.m. Inappropriate
'Baby, You Can Drive My Car': Single occupancy drivers, UNITE!! Vote NO twice on RTID this November. Greens are autophobic zealots/false religion fanatics. Sound Transit is a money grubbing cesspool. 55 CENT PER GALLON GAS TAXES AND TOLLS EVERYWHERE are mere social engineering schemes and more money grabbing. Your car is your freedom; fight to the death to keep it!!
Posted Fri, Jun 22, 10:37 a.m. Inappropriate
Shuttle buses can certainly help, but introduce one or more additional waits for a vehicle as well as even slower operation (light rail customarily averages 20-25 mph in urban settings, while buses average 15-20 mph).
For people who can't walk or bike, there's a better solution, which is being built right now at London's Heathrow Airport, and is getting accelerating media coverage in cities with more familiarity with the issues (London Times, New York Times, The Economist, Business Week, CNN Money's Business 2.0, IEEE Spectrum, The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, etc.).
That solution is Personal Rapid Transit (PRT), which has been endorsed by the European Union as an urban sustainability tool, in large part because it's expected to offer significantly better energy efficiencies (and fewer greenhouse gas emissions to power them) than cars, buses, or trains, while being cost effective and fast, safe, and convenient enough to entice people from their cars. The best part is that it works beautifully both as a collector/distributor for traditional large-vehicle mass transit systems, or in a stand-alone configuration connecting hard-to-serve areas with the people who need to get to them.
More information on the London system (which is on schedule for completion next year, less than 3 years after the contract to build it was signed) here:
The Sunday Times of London: Welcome to Heathrow, your robocab awaits
More information on local efforts to build PRT here, extending Sound Transit's 1996 endorsement (and commitment to fund a test system here) as well as the Puget Sound Regional Council's expectation that PRT will play a significant part in our region's future transportation network:
www.GetThereFast.org
A more succinct description appears in The Seattle P-I here:
The Seattle Post-Intelligencer: Lighten up on transit systems (8/19/2005)
John C Todd, Jr.
SoundPRT
Posted Fri, Jun 22, 11:09 a.m. Inappropriate
1) Rail draws "a better class of rider" (the so-called "choice" rider effect)
2) Rail fosters economic development, and
3) Rail concentrates development and promotes "walkable" neighborhoods.
1) There may be some truth to this argument, but it depends. If you ride the bus in Sun Valley, the people sitting next to you are likely all millionaires. If you take the subway in New York, your seatmates are likely to be one step above "the wretched of the earth". If there is a "choice rider" effect, it is very small.
2) This is almost certainly false. If rail fostered economic development, then developers should be happy to pay for it (of course billionaires love a hand out, just like the rest of us, and have more to spend on lawyers and lobbyists than we do to get one).
3) This is a more plausible versionof #2. Rail, and other civic investments such as parks, may cause development to take place 'here' rather than 'there'. The second part of this point, rail fostering walkable neighborhoods, is less plausible. If you zone and provide incentives for walkable neighborhoods, you will get them. If not, not. Transit, of any sort, provides one element of incentive since it tends to concentrate people.
What Brewster overlooks is the issue of "opportunity cost", ie if we spend $38 billion in one place, we can't spend it in another. Let's say we've got $38B to spend on transportation as the upcoming ST2/RTID vote says we do. How best to allocate it? Does *not* rebuilding SR520, *not* reconfiguring the viaduct, and actually reducing the capacity of I-90 seem like a sensible return for this sum? If not, then the ST2/RTID proposal should be voted down. How about doing both the first two (520, viaduct), expanding I-405, and providing 60 mph 24/7 transit mobility throughtout the entire metro Puget Sound region? Does that sound like a better return on investment. If so, then another approach, one built on pricing and rubber-tired-transit makes more sense. For that approach see my comments on the original Morrill article (the comment is entitled "Morrill has it about right").
Posted Fri, Jun 22, 11:49 a.m. Inappropriate
2). Avoid hyperbole.
3). Seattle has a sizable population of Yosemite Sams.
4). Get back to work, which is within walking distance so it's not really your problem anyway.
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Posted Fri, Jun 22, 12:27 p.m. Inappropriate
1. Always smiling can be pretty hard. Sometimes you have to grit your teeth.
2. Hyperbole can be useful to stress a point or for comedic effect, but the downside is that many people will believe you believe your own exaggerations and won't get your humor.
3. Yeah, lots of Yoemite Sams and also a large population of people who have only been here a few years, which creates an interesting dichotomy and political challenge for getting anything done.
4. Living near where you work is smart, if you can pull it off. I work at home, so that's actually the lowest cost commute and the least environmentally devastating. However, walking to work imho is the ideal. So you're actually living in Transportation Heaven right now. (Imagine when light rail comes someday in the future and you can go down to the airport to take your kids to school and soccer practice, stop at the grocery store, and pick up the laundry, and top off the tank... (see 2 above))
Posted Fri, Jun 22, 12:50 p.m. Inappropriate
As it stands now we give Sound Transit a huge never-ending checkbook the size of the Beacon Hill Tunnel. With the RTID that checkbook will tunnel through America to the Boston Big Dig. Writing those HUGE checks will be impossible. My great-grandchildren will be unable to lift a pen that size. The pen itself will weigh 200 tons and cost $40 billion.
Posted Fri, Jun 22, 1:08 p.m. Inappropriate
As for the comments on my piece, I thank you all for your comments. A few replies: Yes, I'm a "troublemaker" and I'm proud to emulate Charlie Chong! It may surprise some but my arguments are from the Left. If I had the power attributed to me, we wouldn't be facing the $38 billion plan.
Yes the most likely scenario is the defeat of the plan, and a "do nothing" approach for awhile. The defense of rail comes down to this: "other big cities have trains; therefore they must be good" (doesn't this sound like out teenagers?). I love trains, and have probably been on far more than most of the advocates of rail; I just wish they would work better in a metropolis like Seattle. Then I would have been a big supporter.
Concentrating jobs downtown is needed to help justify rail transit. The big problem, as transport planners know, is a quick and seamless transfer from feeder busses to rail stations, but this too contributes to an unbalanced overemphasis on access to downtown Seattle, as if no other place really mattered. Finally, I'd say I am somewhat of an expert in the area of transportation, land use, and human preferences and behavior. I wish our transport decision makers had as much.
Posted Fri, Jun 22, 5:23 p.m. Inappropriate
You speak of the economics of rail as if you've settled all questions that might arise from such a dynamic and complex system. Either you deserve the noble prize, or, as seems more likely, you're a quack.
Posted Fri, Jun 22, 5:55 p.m. Inappropriate
Admittedly, they originated in the rail era (and in many cases prior to rail.) But they continue to exist in a totally car-dominated world because they were built to be walkable. Consider Madison Park and the top of Queen Anne.
Brewster's theory -- that rail encourages walkable neighborhoods -- can be joined with the empirical fact that rail can also encourage continued sprawl -- just look at the outer stations in San Francisco's BART.
As to creating great walkable neighborhoods, rail is neutral and not a decisive factor.
Posted Fri, Jun 22, 7:45 p.m. Inappropriate
And on the eternal bus vs. rail debate, note two things:
1) Only one major city in North America maintained its streetcar system: Toronto. Is it a coincidence that Toronto has by far the highest transit ridership per capita in North America? (Look it up -- it's way above New York, DC, etc.)
2) Don't underestimate the importance of the social superiority issue. Buses are humiliating: the potential rider has no control over when to leave, cramped and smelly conditions, etc. By contrast, modern streetcars (Portland's, at any rate) provide a much more gratifying experience, between next-train signs, airy interiors, and wide doors. A streetcar rider feels urbane. A bus rider feels low-class. This is a very, very important distinction if we as a region want to push transit. (Note that we don't necessarily need streetcars -- we can also get more riders by making buses more like the streetcars)
Posted Fri, Jun 22, 10:31 p.m. Inappropriate
Speaking of Density, Ron Sims is trying to qualify Maple Valley for a train station.: It's true! Maple Valley has a "Doughnut Hole" problem and Ron Sims is trying to fill it with 2,000 new homes. Ron Sims is negotiating with Yarrow Bay Development to place 2,000 homes in the middle of Maple Valley on a County owned 160 acre golf course / gravel pit without letting the City annex the property. No concurrency considerations, no transportation dollars, just a quick back door deal to plop 2,000 homes in rural SE King County. That's a 30% increase in the population of Maple Valley and they are livid. What do you do when the Champion of GMA, CAO and all things ST pulls a fast one to line his pockets ? Where is the redress when Ron and his friends hold sway over the County Council? They all TALK a good game about preserving rural character, transportation planning blah blah blah. When Ron can make a buck on the backs of people he doesn't consider his "Core Constituents" he is all over it. To add insult to injury he is co-opting the TDR (transfer of development rights program) and using 800 of them to increase the density on the county owned property. That program was intended to remove developemnt from the rural areas and "transfer" the development rights to communities that already had the infrastructure to support the more intense use. The city says they would have allowed 32 units on the 160 acres and left the remainder as open space/parks. Is the kind of fellow we want running our transportation system? He only follows the rules when it suits him.
Posted Sat, Jun 23, 12:02 a.m. Inappropriate
"An individual's reality model can be right or wrong, complete or incomplete. As a rule it will be both incomplete and wrong, and one would do well to keep that probability in mind."
- Dietrich Dorner, The Logic of Failure: Recognizing and Avoiding Error in Complex Situations
Posted Sat, Jun 23, 3:50 p.m. Inappropriate
Instead of either rail or bus we need to begin installing automated small vehicles on narrow guideways that meet the individual transport fundamental, and are accessible to all; drivers and non drivers. Only then will the litany of "getting people out of cars" be satisfied, and with an advantage of less land and energy use than either rail, buses, or cars require.
It's technically feasible. Lets stop wasting time and funds on 100 year-old concepts and look ahead to innovative approaches are that are beginning to appear outside USA to provide real Individual Oriented Transport. IOT instead of TOD; Transit Oriented Disasters.
Posted Sun, Jun 24, 5:57 a.m. Inappropriate
BTW, you've done a great job of giving us a sterling example of the problems of softness.
Dr. Morrill has never been one to claim to settle all questions, he is one to state the obvious, the current rail plan is stupid. You can make as many inferences from that conclusion as you wish, all of them true.
A couple of words of advice from my Mother.
1. Negative speech can say much more about the speaker than the subject
2. Eat your vegetables
Have a nice day.
Doug Tooley
Tacoma
Posted Sun, Jun 24, 6:01 a.m. Inappropriate
Recall that Seattle was largely built at the end of the Streetcar era and the beginning of the automobile era. The resulting typical 5000 sf lot size may be kismet, but it does seem to have a nice balance from a number of perspectives that still rings 'true' today.
-Doug Tooley
Tacoma, WA
Posted Sun, Jun 24, 6:05 a.m. Inappropriate
Nothing harder than that, take it as you will.
-Douglas Tooley
Tacoma, WA
Posted Sun, Jun 24, 6:11 a.m. Inappropriate
However I don't think we have much more than a guess as to what will be the next big thing.
It would be nice if Seattle invested some of the wealth that the rest of the world has bestowed on us on the implementation of some new form, but unfortunately we don't even have the ability to utilize existing technologies.
Personally, I think we should be looking hardest at variations of smart roadways and smart cars - these computer based systems tie into braking (and potentially steering) to make higher capacities safe. The word used is 'platooning' and it allows for much closer following distances in something, practically speaking, very similar to a HOT toll lane.
My personal opinion is that the best place to start to implement such technologies is with buses, driven professionaly, in a busway similar to that of the former downtown transit tunnel.
-Douglas Tooley
Tacoma, WA
Posted Sun, Jun 24, 9:45 a.m. Inappropriate
How can you not want rail? (Morrill here again): How can you not want rail? I was talking to a friend, who asked this question, and saying he couldn't wait to take the train to SeaTac. I said "I'm sure I'll take it too, and be thankful for the huge subsidy I'll enjoy." But this illustrates what I've been trying to say all along. We all love trains, we want them, we loved that rail ride when we visited DC or wherever. Folks, it's like gambling. We (should) know, if school or life taught us anything, that our odds of winning are pathetic, like 2 %, but citizens gamble tens of billions of $ anyway! We evidently like the idea of trains, the sight of them, the prospect of riding once in a while, so much that we're willing to spend tens of billions (locally!), even though we no good, heartless, mean, spoilsport economists and statisticians ask voters to please look at the bottom line, at what little we'll really get for those billions. Is the romance of rail worth that much? Now it is certainly true that subsidies of public transit are well justified, because it serves the carless, and, with a good system, can remove as much as 15% of cars from the roads. But a good transit system is a moderately subsidized extensive bus network, not an outrageously subsidized skeletal rail system. Now, bad me (Chong-like) the class issue again. Those who run things want rail because it is "classy", while busses are inferior and common. This is not really true, and is an illegitimate basis for a transportation choice. By the way, I've walked and taken the bus to work (the UW) for 50 years.
Posted Sun, Jun 24, 1 p.m. Inappropriate
The only kinds of fights worth fighting are those you are willing to lose, because somebody has to fight them and lose and lose and lose until someday, somebody who believes as you do wins. In order for somebody to win an important major fight 100 years hence, a lot of other people have got to be willing - for the sheer fun and joy of it-to go right ahead and fight, knowing you are going to lose. You mustn't feel like a martyr. You've got to enjoy it.
I.F. "Izzy" Stone, Journalist
That said, one has to wonder if Brown IS the new 'Black', then perhaps mathematically endowed progressives are the new 'Jews'? That is of course leaving the pot heads and alcoholics out of it, at least for now.
-Douglas Tooley
Tacoma, WA
Posted Mon, Jul 2, 7:12 p.m. Inappropriate
And why were they converted to these supposedly all-over superior bus systems? Because they were scandalously destroyed and replaced by a bunch of General Motors goons who successfully soaked the cities and the citizens for the cost of a new system and it's annual revenues in parts and power. These creeps were indicted and convicted under the Sherman Anti Trust Act and fined a whopping $1 each. Of course now, fixed rail is more difficult to overlay on 60 plus years of planning to serve the interests of tire salesmen and concrete manufacturers. A total subversion of public interest occurred to funnel a large and continual cash stream to selected industries in many American cities. Not the benevolent implementation of a mysterious, new and superior people moving technology. In Seattle's case, the lines were politically and legally ruined so far into mismanagement to make way for an attractive offer to replace the existing rail infrastructure that the inevitable happened. In 1937 Seattle voters rejected a proposition to replace the municipal streetcars with buses. In the 1940s the tracks were ripped up and buses went in anyway. Grifted.
And I'm no car hater, I use one too - just tired of the insane singular fixation of some on exclusive auto dependency when multiple concurrent modes of travel serves everyone better. Forcing cars to be the only solution is akin to allowing Greyhound to supplant Washington Ferries, Amtrak, and Alaska Air as a single travel option. Who would vote for that lame reduction of service? Because buses are better?
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