You, anonymous

There's no practical way to enforce accountability on the Web, but a little peer pressure could help. Let's start signing our real names to the comments we post. It would elevate the discourse.

Commenting rules for the <i>Kitsap Sun</i>.

Commenting rules for the Kitsap Sun.


Freedom of speech is our most treasured inalienable right, but every once in a while something happens that makes you wish there were some rules. The latest example of this arrives with my local daily newspaper's decision to let any member of the public append news stories with comments and opinions.

This feels wrong, not because others have usurped the role of the reporter, forcing us to compete with people who have no apparent credentials. Rather, the objection comes from the different rules in effect for the original stories and the comments they draw. Consider that everything a "professional" journalist writes needs to be factual, more or less, and include the author's name (and, today, an e-mail address). But someone posting a response to a story can say pretty much anything they want, true or not. And there is no requirement that they acknowledge responsibility by signing a real name.

Admittedly, dispatches from professional journalists carry no absolute guarantee of veracity and balance. Even so, an anonymous post stands even less chance of truthfulness, since there is often no recognizable person taking responsibility for the message.

If everything we learn originates from a childhood touchstone, we can illustrate the situation in the form of a Goofus and Gallant cartoon, the Highlights magazine feature that has has taught generations of kids comparative etiquette from the vantage point of their doctors' waiting rooms. Here, the behaviorally fraternal twins could be recast as 30-year-old political junkies, with the following posts:

Hillary could be vice president under Obama but she would need to know her place. In 1980 Reagan asked Ford to be VP but Ford said he would only do it if he could be "co-president." Ford was pretty much an idiot, so Reagan picked Daddy Bush, who had fought him all the way in the primaries. Bush knew his place and they won. —Gooferdude
I think that the origin of the 1980 election sets the stage here. Reagan approached Ford, who said he would join the ticket if the VP became a "co-president." Reagan wisely declined and selected Bush Sr., who was his most vocal opponent. They joined forces, and won the general. The difference here is that Hillary could be a brilliant VP and Ford was just average. —Gallant LaMontagne, Port Orchard, WA

The difference here is obvious. Goofus is snarky, mean, and inconsiderate, and won't take responsibility for his opinion. Gallant signs his name and expresses the same opinion in a more cogent and less insulting way. This is not to say that everyone should turn into a wuss, just that they need to stand behind what they say. Depending on your viewpoint, you may perceive Al Franken and Ann Coulter as rude, uninformed, or downright idiotic. But they are using their real names and speaking in their own voice.

Not too long ago, the cross-pollination of news Web sites with electronic bulletin boards appeared to be a natural match. It opens up the story, taking the author to task about a point of fact or supporting the article's conclusions with additional examples, organically elevating the overall process into a meeting of minds between the reporter, the public, and the experts.

That's the theory. Instead, we are stuck with responses that are more likely to be nasty, destructive, and in many cases just plain stupid. Bad spelling. Faulty logic. A snotty tone. Since most posters haven't the stones to attach their own names to these rants, there is no accountability and nothing to impose a standard of truth. This goes beyond gender or age uncertainty. You have no idea whom you are really talking to, so you are really just talking to yourself.

Like many aspects of online life, the practice of posting has evolved organically and unsupervised. Along the way, it became natural for people to post their thoughts without attribution. There was no explicit malice or a desire to cloak one's identity, it just seemed natural to attribute the post to a nickname or one that reflects the mood of the moment. So anonymous posting has become the default. Signing your own name feels weird, a little like wearing a suit in a room full of nudists.

Regulating the Internet isn't going to happen, for a lot of good reasons. To recycle another cliche, the Internet is the most disorganzed, chaotic, and unpredictable of all media, but it beats the alternative. Instead, the solution comes from self regulation. The only way to fix this is to change your own behavior and hope that it catches on.

There is a precedent. Remember that littering was once an acceptable practice, that even our parents encouraged us to throw gum wrappers and soda bottles out of the car window. Today, it is a major social crime backed up by legislation, up there with parking in a handicapped space. So even if signing your name to each online statement seems like an insignificant symbolic gesture, it contributes to cleaning up online litter.

Some readers may have already sensed a contradiction, how this strongly worded call for accountability can appear on a site that itself allows anonymous comments. The easy answer is that I am a guest in this house and don't make policy. But even if the bosses here agreed with my viewpoint, it wouldn't be easy to pull off. Many old media places adding comment boards are happy to get anything they can. Requiring names would be intrusive and will slow down the discussion.

News sites have a variety of ways to raise the standards of their message boards, but none of them are particularly effective. Requiring a valid e-mail address as a prerequisite imposes some limits, with a "three strikes" policy revoking privileges. This will only stymie the lowest grade of criminals — the rest of them can just get another e-mail address and join in again. A dirty-word filter can be fooled. A required site membership provides the highest level of accountability.

My informal crusade against anonymity has, until I sat down to write this particular screed, taken a random, unsatisfying form. All of my posts are now under my own real name. No one notices. I scold people about a lack of courage in signing names. They ignore me or send along their own irresponsible response, such as a historical link about Ben Franklin and his use of pseudonyms. It turns out this particular father of our country was so prolific that he wrote both sides of a particular debate under different names. The reader may never be aware, saying something like, "I really like what Silence Dogood said, and how he put Alice Addertongue in her place," not knowing that both viewpoints came from the same pen.

I know who Ben Franklin was, and these anonymous posters today are not Ben Franklin. In Ben's world, the message was so articulate as to make the messenger's identity irrelevant. These days, we need to encourage people to identify themselves, so they are less likely to say something embarrassing and stupid.

The solution is simple and obvious, and a really great message: Tell the truth. Speak your piece. Sign your name.


About the Author

Charlie Bermant covers Port Townsend for the Peninsula Daily News. You can reach him in care of cybermant@gmail.com.

Like what you just read? Support high quality local journalism. Become a member of Crosscut today!

Comments:

Posted Sat, Jun 28, 7:49 a.m. Inappropriate

Didn't Bother Reading: There is a self-regulating mechanism already in place. As with most attention seeking behavior, one simply ignores it.

g

Posted Sat, Jun 28, 8:09 a.m. Inappropriate

toss?: So your parents encouraged you to toss gum wrappers and bottles out of the car window? Well, mine didn't. I would have got a good spanking had I done that.

On the main topic: when it is just a matter of opinions, there is no reason why a pseudonym isn't just fine. You might even say that anonymity makes the comment a bit purer, separated from a person. And, as noted above, no one is required to read entries on a thread. If comments are interesting, well, what's the difference between name and no-name? (Actually, I don't mind a bit of snarkiness.)
Spike

Posted Sat, Jun 28, 8:32 a.m. Inappropriate

Road rage on the Information Highway: = Anonymous posting. When the anonymous poster libels someone the blog should provide the email and isp information they have available. It is true that anyone can avoid reading the comments but they can't stop others from reading the libelous statements. A politician in Yakima (?) and a mother that posted to a neighbor girl both have been caught and are being prosecuted.

And it is bull that anonymous posting allows for purity of thought. There are many pro posters that work issues national for vested interests, for example transportation issues.

I will continue to post without my name spelled out but would welcome a second comment thread that required real names. The newspapers verify who someone is before printing letters to the editor.
jps

Posted Sat, Jun 28, 10:35 a.m. Inappropriate

RE: oad rage on the Information Highway: Were we talking about libel and slander? I didn't think so. I thought we were talking about exchange of ideas and whether anonymity was a plus or a minus.

You are awful quick with your slinging of "bull" around. I didn't say anything about purity of thought. I said that there might be a kind of "purity" of idea if we don't know the author's name. People can judge on the words alone. Many readers will judge words based on a bias for or against a kind of name. Ethnic names, for example, might be immediately discounted. Or Muslim names. Or Irish names. Or people might get a favorable reading just because they had Swedish names.
Spike

Posted Sat, Jun 28, 11:03 a.m. Inappropriate

Crosscut's official policy on this: When we launched Crosscut, my fantasy was to require full, real names of commenters. Our goal is to run a site where ideas were fair game but individuals are not, where civility would be imposed by the power of shame. We didn't want this to turn into the island in Lord of the Flies or, worse, Slog.

We obviously accept any degree of public identification from our commenters, but we do have one mechanism that I think might impose a measure of civility — the fact you can't just make up an e-mail address to post here. It has to be a valid e-mail address. This is designed to prevent spammers, but I think it also makes people think twice about posting crap because there's an e-mail address associated with their nickname in a database somewhere.

So far, we've had to delete only a handful of comments over the first year or so, most for being off-topic, once or twice because they were unnecessarily profane, once or twice for stupid-level rudeness. We've locked no one out for repeat offenses.

We don't get 236 comments on a single article as some sites do, but the ones we do get are almost always thoughtful. Thank you, Crosscut readers.

Posted Sat, Jun 28, 11:07 a.m. Inappropriate

RE: oad rage on the Information Highway: That's a really interesting point about the bias that can be generated by a commenter's real name. I hadn't thought of that.

Posted Sat, Jun 28, 11:41 a.m. Inappropriate

name: I should probably reveal that my real name is Che Malcom X de Valera.

Spike

Posted Sat, Jun 28, 3:26 p.m. Inappropriate

Anonymity cloaks: Anonymity cloaks. It allows people to hide.

Now if the USA were any one of a hundred countries I could see the need for widespread anonymity. But it's not, even with Bush Junior's wrong-headed incompetence.

So the desire for anonymous commenting strikes me a bad thing because of at least two reasons:
1. It allows people to speak far more harshly & intemperately than if their name was attached to the comment;
2. It reinforces a culture of fear; if you see lots of people speaking anonymously about –WTF! – something as vanilla aszoning, then it suggests that it's a good idea to hide one's opinions.

Posted Sat, Jun 28, 3:52 p.m. Inappropriate

RE: Anonymity cloaks: How curious this topic is. I would say just the opposite; it allows people to speak out. The issue is not governmental intrusion into free speech. It is personal for each potential commenter. Having to be open and public with one's name means that many people would be unable to participate. People would keep silent for family reasons (not rocking the family boat), work reasons (personal opinions at odds with one's employer or one's boss) or broader societal reasons (having one's own ideas in opposition to one's church, or other affiliations -- such as union membership) and any variety of other inhibiting reasons for speaking openly on debatable issues.

Anonymity frees up a reader to participate. The name of the author is not important, if the idea is cogent and well argued.

I think I don't agree with either of your two reasons, but I need to ponder them a bit.
Spike

Posted Sat, Jun 28, 4:18 p.m. Inappropriate

I Don't Buy It, Charles: You say, "These days, we need to encourage people to identify themselves, so they are less likely to say something embarrassing and stupid." There is a Crosscut Writer, a writer not a commenter, who says embarrassing and stupid things almost every week.

Many commenters need to be careful because of their employment or position in the community or that of their spouse. A letter to the editor of the PI or the Times that I co-signed many years ago opposing a proposed public construction project had me on the carpet and terminated a few months later. I never made that mistake again. I simply would not be participating in local internet comment blogs if I had to sign my name.

Posted Sat, Jun 28, 7:08 p.m. Inappropriate

Author's Note: Sorry that I didn't join the discussion earlier. I was unplugged.
A few points:
• I was born in 1954. So on my family vacations we littered freely, wore no seat belts and Mom smoked. This has all changed. Sorry I didn't include that perspective.
• The idea that a post from "Samuel Washington" is viewed differently than "Samuel Goldberg" admits prejudice. We can't control the reader's reaction to a certain name (maybe he was bit by a Goldberg as a child) but we shouldn't kowtow to the reader's preconceptions. Too many readers. Too many possible prejudices. Or put another way, if you have drawn conclusions about me because my name is "Bermant" it is YOUR problem.
• I admit there are times when anonymity is necessary. It happens that some people are fired for speaking out, or harassed for their opinions. I don't know how to answer that within the context of this argument, but the idea for this piece came from general frustration with reckless stupidity. If all the discussions/reactions were as intelligent as this one, there would be no story. For now, requesting that people add their real name to posts unless it jeopardizes their security is the first step toward a reasonable discourse.
• As for the "Crosscut writer who says something embarrassing and stupid every week… " I have two reactions: I know it isn't me, because this is my first piece on the site. And whomever he(?) is, he signs his own name and takes responsibility. Which is the point.

Posted Sat, Jun 28, 8:12 p.m. Inappropriate

Way Better than the Competition: Whether anonymous or not, I really like that Crosscut's comments are not, at least yet, dominated by the kind of idiots with nothing to say who seem to predominate in all too many of these fora. Not that one can't be a wacko and still be interesting, and have something to say that is worth reading - indeed, where we would be without unreasonable and sometimes crazy people? But the comment sections on site after site have been ruined by the kind of people to whom one can only say "Get a Life!" I have given up even looking at many of them. Let's hope that Crosscut forever remains a forum for those with something worthwhile to say.

Posted Sat, Jun 28, 9:43 p.m. Inappropriate

RE: Author's Note: I don't see anonymity as "kowtow"-ing to prejudice. I see it as recognition that prejudice exists and interferes with communication. Crosscut is a place for ideas. Anything that enhances interaction is good, and the fact of prejudice hinders interaction. Anyone who would begin reading with a negative bias because it was written by a Goldberg is a lost cause before you get to his mind. Actually, I would bet that a respectful interaction with someone which is followed by revelation that a person is of a group one dislikes -- that respectful discussion diminishes automatic prejudicial responses. "Do you mean that you are actually a ...?" Saying that prejudice is YOUR problem is partly true, but it evades the reality that it is the commenter's problem, too.

Spike

Posted Sat, Jun 28, 10:07 p.m. Inappropriate

Different standards are okay: During the years I edited Seattle Weekly, we rarely ran anonymous letters. We only did in a few cases where keeping the identity of the letter writer confidential was important, say in a whistle-blowing situation. But those correspondents were never anonymous to us editors. We required that we had to be able to confirm the origin of the mail. Unsigned mail went into the trash--and believe me, every newspaper receives a lot of garbage. Well, not always the trash. I used to keep a "forensic" file of especially wacky "tinfoil" mail.

Our goal was to require readers to stand by what they said, to be accountable. Even with that requirement, we were rarely at a loss for good, publishable letters and in fact the letters section was always one of the best read sections in the paper: readers want to know what other readers think.

That said, it doesn't bother me that publications and Web sites have different standards. I take Spike's point that allowing anonymous mail opens up the debate and that the merit of the content of a comment is the most important thing. I support the idea that Crosscut allows anonymous comments per Chuck Taylor's guidelines.

Most commenters aren't professional writers whose job is to sign their names and take the heat. And believe me, there are sometimes real risks involved. Private citizens may have all kinds of reasons for keeping their names off of comments, and not necessarily for any nefarious purpose. It may be that they're in a profession where they have to be circumspect with their opinions--maybe they're cops or therapists or healthcare providers or bureaucrats--and opining on even unrelated, controversial subjects would cause difficulties. As a reader, I find I adjust my expectations of anonymous comments a bit, keep in mind that a person might be hiding a conflict. But I try and stay open to the merit of the argument being made.

Even so, I am glad to see a real name because anonymity can be a coward's shield, a way to spew junk or hate and never be called on it. I think about the anti-Obama rumors circulating, or the hideous spectacle of folks who hounded election reform advocate Andy Stephenson into the grave by accusing him of false crimes while he was on his deathbed.

The answer is to set some standards, as Crosscut and its readers have done, in keeping the quality of the debate high.

Posted Sun, Jun 29, 8:36 a.m. Inappropriate

"There, I guess King George will be able to read that." John Hancock: Throughout history, polemicists and pamphleters have used pseudonyms, usually for reasons of personal safety or humility. At times anonymity has been necessary to avoid a knock at the door followed by a jail cell or the gibbet.

These are not those times, nor is this a country where pure anonymity is necessary.

Still, the Internet is young enough such that protocals are evolving rapidly. Many who post, whether bloggers or commentors, use nicknames or handles much the same way ham radio operators have for decades.

These, however, are less a barrier to discovery and more a nod to a form of alter ego identity - not an intention to hide, but more a way to cultivate a unique personality. Lots of Joes, Johns, and Jims, but probably only one Sparkman Ted.

Even though he was well before Crosscut, everyone knows that Mossback is Skip Berger. Many people know who The Piper - my moniker - is both because I've written a few signed articles for Crosscut and also because I've been outed on several area political blogs. Google "Piper Scott" and you quickly get to me.

I'm inclined to favor that as an acceptable middle ground. I do not believe in absolute anonymity because hiding in the shadows is the refuge of scoundrals. Courage of conviction should be accompanied by at least some sense of whose convictions are touted.

The use of a transparent pseudonym, however, isn't bad per se. Samuel Clemens wasn't Mark Twain because he had something to hide, but rather because Mark Twain was at least minimially a part of Huckleberry Finn. Clemens/Twain's readers knew who was who.

The nastiest of nasty posts (so often from those who trumpet their sophistication and tolerance), filled with invective, hate, profanity, and more, are always anonymous - character assasins, like their literal counterparts, always shoot in the back. Any victim of one of these ought to know who it is who bears such enmity. And the light of public condemnation shining on dark places causes rats to scurry.

If you really went to elevate that nature of the discourse consider this: require commentors to wear coats and ties or dresses. I kid you not...the more formally people dress, the more formally they behave.

Watch some old Perry Mason re-runs to see how Perry and his detective sidekick Paul Drake were always scrupulously polite even as Perry forced the guilty party to jump up and scream, "I did it!"

Today people dress and act as if they're in a Seth Rogen movie.

Again, better transparency in order for there to be accountability. The public discussion isn't helped by multiple postings using multiple handles all from the same anonymous person. Or posts from those with distinct agendas masquerading as coming from an independent source. How many times have we read at Crosscut the accusation that some pro-light rail commentor is a Sound Transit employee in electronic mufti?

Use your nickname, but leave signposts, and never be afraid to stick your John Hancock to what you write - a job where you could get canned for expressing your opinion on a public issue isn't a job worth having. Can you imagine how effective the Declaration of Independence would have been had its 56-signatories used fake names to hide behind?

Your good name is your most valued possession - stand up for it and let it speak for who you are and what you believe.

The Piper
Scott St. Clair

Posted Sun, Jun 29, 10:17 a.m. Inappropriate

Anonymity be damned: Not a believer in 'clothes make the man' or sociology through 'Perry Mason' re-runs, I nonetheless believe, along with Mr. St. Clair, and others, that anonymity in the posting of comments plays to a baser instinct and lower denominator. With the exception of common sense (don't make controversial public statements about your employer, for example--hold your counsel) online comments should bear the writer's name or moniker. Sockpuppetry abounds in the comment sections of blogs and news services; real names used with actual comments helps to counter this problem.

Laurence Ballard

Posted Sun, Jun 29, 11:34 a.m. Inappropriate

A Quandary!: I thought to avoid commenting on Bermant's article "You Anonymous", because I expected it would be well reviewed. It was. But, in reading all the comments I was reminded of a somewhat similar conflict I often struggle with. Is knowing everything and making it public always the best way to do business? I'll be more specific with my quandary.

I'm an avid supporter of public disclosure and believe openness and truth the more important values in our democracy. Stealth, lies and secrecy have been among the greatest dangers our system of government faces. I cherish the preamble to our State's public disclosure and open meetings laws, to me it's inspiring.1 But sometimes on rare occasions I wonder if it sometimes it doesn't prevent innovative solutions to some of our more vexing problems.

Pretend for a moment that you are on a city council and one of your citizens writes you with an idea so unique, so illogical, so controversial that it might be laughed about in a public hearing. You would be made a fool for supporting it. However, as startling as is the idea, so is it's uniqueness and potential. You think, "It just might be the answer we have been looking for." Yet if you bring it into the open you can hear the jeers that will come. Those who study history realize that jeers and worse have often been the penalty for new thinking. Incredible revolutionary ideas and solutions are often rejected by the populists frenzy of contemporary thought. The laws say you can't even talk with your City Council colleagues in causal discussion to see how they feel. To test the waters so to speak. As a result our leaders surrender to group think that has been vetted by the popular slogans or powerful lobbyists or just propaganda.

We all have been in situations where it was asked we brainstorm - to throw out ideas no matter how crazy they might seem, in the hope they might connect or join another unusual idea and meld into a solution that had never previously been considered. We all have also sat down with friends in some kind of bull session to throw out ideas, challenge each other, sometimes say silly things, make jokes and try to reach a consensus or better understanding. It's normal natural and valuable, except in public life. Our leaders simply can't do it.

On the other hand I understand the danger all to well and like all of us can point to the examples of collusion, and secrecy that lead to insane decisions. The selling of the war with Iraq to congress and the public one of the current better examples.

So for me the quandary remains. I simply don't trust enough to do away with open government, but I am frustrated that we fairly often shoot ourselves in the foot adhering to total openness when maybe we could have solved a difficult problem.
KK

Posted Sun, Jun 29, 1:23 p.m. Inappropriate

RE: A Quandary!: If your erstwhile crazy idea is as good as you think it is, then you have to press for it without regard to what people think or say about you.

Part of having the courage of conviction is not caring about the scorn and derision of others - or at least not showing that you care.

Truth shouldn't be subject to a popularity contest.

The Piper

Posted Sun, Jun 29, 4:43 p.m. Inappropriate

Ted Van Dyk comment: Good dialogue on an important subject. I have always felt that writers should be willing to sign their names to their comments. Crosscut has done a good job, as Chuck Taylor relates, in screening off those few inappropriate comments which have gone beyond civility. This has not necessarily been the case, however, with many other publications, including Seattle's two daily newspapers. Anonymity in many cases has given rise to rage, invective, personal abuse and outright falsehood by those joining onlne dialogue. Even signed letters to the editor sometimes cross such lines---but that is another matter.

Commenters mentioned that anonymity protected them from discrimination or unfairness in their workplaces or elsewhere. This no doubt is true in some cases. Many commenters, however, hide their real identities because they have a direct economic or other personal stake in the issues being discussed and wish to hide it. This is a frequent occurrence whenever Crosscut or print dailies turn to local transportation issues. Invective, personal insult, and outright disinformation often are purveyed by commmenters unable to address such issues on their substance. Unprotected by anonymity, they would be less likely to conduct themselves accordingly.

Back in the 1960s there was a crotchety U.S. Senator from Ohio, Stephen Young, who sent a form letter to constituents whose comments were out of bounds: "You should know," his letter went, "that some damn fool is sending me stupid letters and signing your name to them." A current-day variation on his letter might read: "You should know that your anonymous letter was uncivil and filled with factual errors. But since you refused to sign your name, I can only presume you are embarrassed by what you wrote."

Posted Sun, Jun 29, 9:51 p.m. Inappropriate

Well, That is Settled: A quorum of Crosscut authors agrees that anonymous commenters are cowards. I'm glad we have that out of the way.

Posted Mon, Jun 30, 10:08 a.m. Inappropriate

Anonymous sources and editorials: When will anonymous sources and unsigned editorials cease to exist in the world of the dinosaur main stream print and electronic media??

animalal

Posted Mon, Jun 30, 10:12 a.m. Inappropriate

Not quite true: The statement, "The laws say you can't even talk with your City Council colleagues in causal discussion to see how they feel. To test the waters so to speak," is not accurate.

The law prevents a quorum (majority) of any city council or school board or other legislative body from discussing business out of public view. It does not prevent them from chatting with each other one on one.
SWHunter

Posted Mon, Jun 30, 12:39 p.m. Inappropriate

RE: Anonymous sources and editorials: Unsigned editorials represent the opinion of the periodicial in which they appear, so to that extent they're signed. In addition, the newspapers and magazines I read include the names of editorial personnel - with that, you have a number of donkeys upon whom you can pin the tail.

With anonymous sources, the issue isn't what they say, but who they say it to - who is writing the article that cites them? It's the byline, not the content that's at issue. While a story too heavily dependent upon variations on a Deep Throat theme is suspect, the distinction is that the source isn't the one necessarily looking to get information out there, the author of the story is.

The author of a story with excessive reliance on anonymous sources is subject to criticism by name with his or her overall credibility then open to question. At least you know who to go to to challenge assertions and allegaitons. With an anonymously authored piece, all you can do is complain to the heavens...especially when it's on Goldy's HorsesAss.org site where anonymity is not only allowed but cultivated and encouraged.

All the better to smear you with, my dear!

The Piper

Posted Mon, Jun 30, 5:24 p.m. Inappropriate

Truth and Truthfulness: Bernard Williams wrote "Truth & Truthfulness," in which he analyzes accuracy as an attribute of a truthful message, and sincerity as the attribute of a truthful messenger. An anonymous messenger or pseudonymous messenger is not necessarily any less sincere or any less accurate than one with a fully disclosed name. However, the consequences that may befall either class of posters are different, so certain sorts of posts are more likely to occur in each class. For example, profane, libelous, deceitful posts are more likely to be anonymous, simply because fewer negative consequences are likely to follow anonymous posts. In this sense speech itself is much freer, but mainly in that one is more free to question the integrity and bias of others and to make ad hominem attacks.

Anonymnity increases the number of attacks on other posters' credibility. This may be unpleasant but is useful in ferreting out the biases and interests of posters. For example, there has been a fair number of attacks against posters on both sides of issues related to Sound Transit. Such attacks are useful in grounding a particular message with a particular perspective. At its worst this is propoganda and politics as usual. At its best it's reasoned discourse.

I'm a seasoned anti-Sound Transit poster, and if you know that, you have every right to question my motives and you will understand my message better if you understand the context in which I typically post. Insofar as I either do or do not use character assassination of my opponents or do or do not use facts and figures in my discussions, among a variety of other considerations, you are then able to make a judgment about the sincerity and truthfulness of "Stuka." In everyday life, I'm not a well-know personage, so my biases or perspectives would not be obvious. And personally, I feel that my age, sex, and where I live have not much to do with what I write, although others might beg to differ. The point here is that it is possible to be both true and truthful as Stuka. In fact, insofar as I'm consistently true and truthful as Stuka I'm likely to better communicate to others online my personal truths and opinions than if I used a name that few had heard of or one that might carry with it other prejudices and biases that affect my perceived truthfulness.

Imagine if I were truly George W. Bush, Christine Gregoire, Bill Gates, or Ichiro and wanted to post my opinions on Sound Transit. The merits of my arguments would be almost entirely obscured by my the notoriety of my "true" self.

Disclosing one's name directly plays to the presumed accuracy of one's claims. If one is a certified expert or simply a knowledgeable public personage, one's truthfulness and the presumed accuracy of one's opinions and statements of fact are enhanced. However, experts can tend to bully with their knowledge and their station. Lesser mortals may stand up to this sort of intellectual bullying by posting anonymously. This mode of anonymous engagement is what often occurs when posters "attack" the views of a Crosscut writer, the views of politicians, or the views of Sound Transit authorities. For the most part, this is simply robust discussion, with sides well staked out. At times such discussions can cross bounds or run off the tracks, but that's dependent on the protocols of a particular forum and the particular sensibilities of the universe of individuals taking part, e.g., when Greg Palmer writes a satire about cycling and cyclists respond, the discussion is going to have its own unique parameters for discussion.

To sum up:
Anonymous posters are cowards. Aint' it wonderful that we don't have to be heroes to voice opinions publicly?
Stuka

Posted Thu, Jul 3, 7:12 a.m. Inappropriate

Message vs. Messenger: Attempting to boost the importance of an idea based on knowing who is saying it is just as specious as attempting to dismiss an idea because of its source. So the messenger has the "courage of their convictions"--so what? To a rational mind that should in no way change how the idea is valued or analyzed. It's the same reason ad hominem attacks are rightfully considered to be inappropriate--if you want to be taken seriously in your criticism you should attack the message, not the messenger.

I appreciate the fact that professional writers and journalists see the value of attaching their names to their work. They are paid, either in monetary terms or through building a reputation or body of work, for their content and their name (or even pseudonym if they're building a brand?) attached to their work is part of that transaciton. Commenters are in a different position and should not be held to as tight of a standard.

Good information can and does come from anonymous sources, in some cases anonymity is a requirement for getting good information--police departmetns recognize it, pollsters recognize it--why can't Mr. Bermant? If that is your real name...

Posted Fri, Jul 4, 9:03 a.m. Inappropriate

RE: Message vs. Messenger: Anonymous sources are not created equally. Anonymity serves a purpose--it is useful, even vital at times, in law enforcement or in news reporting. The online opinions/comments/editorials of strangers on any given subject are something less. Anonymous posting in comments sections--be they blogs or periodical websites--are the equivalent of gossip tacked to a utility pole three blocks down the street. Is this written by committee or an individual? A bureaucratic hack with an agenda, the neighborhood Mr. Crabbyappleton, or a precociously bright 14-year old? An actual name or moniker leaves a trail. One may use a search engine and possibly see if this individual actually exists, if the seeming reasonableness of their message is routine or a fluke. Am I reading the thoughts of a fellow traveler or the agenda of a political/corporate scheme through an anonymous mouthpiece? There are no guarantees here, but it certainly helps.

A cursory check of 'PebbleCreek' leads to golf courses in New Jersey, Minnesota, Ohio, Florida; a ski area in Idaho; a retirement community in Arizona; an apartment complex in Virginia and a manufactured housing community in Indiana, to name a few.

A similar check with an actual name is far more specific, revealing and conclusive. It most certainly does not 'boost the importance any idea' I may share in any specious manner, but it allows any interested reader to know there's a better chance I truly stand behind the words I write. It also affords individuals (supporters of my ideas, or no) a clearer pathway to continue the discussion, even dialogue, off-site, away from the originating source, where we may have a private, personal engagement, anonymous to all other eyes and ears.

Laurence Ballard

Posted Sat, Jul 5, 2:51 p.m. Inappropriate

Looks like the Daily's solution is Facebook: Want to comment on stories posted by the UW Daily? For now, you'd better have a Facebook account...

"You must log in using your Facebook account to post a comment. It's fast, easy, and we don't store any of your personal information, except your first and last name when you post a comment... Our old comment system was abused to leave racist, sexist, fradulent, or simply useless comments. We're hoping this verification step will improve the quality of our comments... Over the next few weeks, we'll be testing other authentication methods."

Posted Sun, Jul 6, 9:13 a.m. Inappropriate

RE: Looks like the Daily's solution is Facebook: While the Daily's attempt at control is to be lauded, dealing with Facebook is another matter.

Ever try to cancel a Facebook account?

After reading how instructors from Secondary Schools to Universities were opening Facebook accounts to check up on students--they will reveal almost anything there--I thought I'd do the same. A day later I recognized my mistake (it's for the young) and requested Facebook close down my account and delete my information. The Facebook Overlords wouldn't do it. They would 'suspend' my account; they would 'deactivate' my account; even 'terminate' my membership--but they would not delete my profile, posted content or information from their servers. Emails and telephone calls to supervisors were to no avail. It took the serious threat of legal action in a registered letter and a followup phone call to Facebook corporate to finally get them to carry through with my request.

Laurence Ballard

Posted Tue, Jul 22, 11:18 a.m. Inappropriate

Gawker says newspapers shouldn't allow comments: Why Newspapers Shouldn't Allow Comments:

Comments are thought to be an added value to a newspaper's site–providing another reason to read. You come for the article, and stay for the interesting discussion. The only problem is, there is no interesting discussion. Almost never.
...
Perhaps newspapers, if they insist on allowing comments, should use the "letter to the editor" format for their comments. Would "W-h-o-r-e" be a printable letter to the editor in the print version of the Daily News? Probably not. It's not well-argued or intelligent, however succinct. So why allow it as a comment? (Also, why does a news story need to be opened up for comments in the first place?)

Login or register to add your voice to the conversation.

Join Crosscut now!
Subscribe to our Newsletter

Follow Us »