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In Seattle, plan for 2nd Chinese Gate surprises Vietnamese community

One location being eyed is at 12th Avenue South, near the heart of Little Saigon. But city rules may actually make it easier to put the gate in the International District closer to the existing one.

The Chinese Gate on King Street South

The Chinese Gate on King Street South Joe Copeland/Crosscut

A potential site for a second Chinese Gate is at Eighth Avenue and South King Street in the International District.

A potential site for a second Chinese Gate is at Eighth Avenue and South King Street in the International District. Joe Copeland/Crosscut

Looking back toward the International District on South King Street from 12th Avenue South.

Looking back toward the International District on South King Street from 12th Avenue South. Joe Copeland/Crosscut

There isn't anything particularly unique about South King Street in the International District. Empty lots, restaurants, and various other businesses line the street that serves as the heart of Chinatown in Seattle.

But two years ago, after nearly a decade of planning and work, part of Chinatown got a makeover when Seattle's first historic Chinese gate was completed in the neighborhood.

Now, efforts are under way to install a second Chinese gate in the neighborhood farther east on South King Street. The proposed locations, however, have brought up concerns in the surrounding communities about whether or not neighborhood boundaries are being respected.

The Historic China Gate Foundation — a group of business leaders in the International District — came together in 1999 with the hopes of completing two traditional Chinese gates to serve as landmarks in Chinatown. The goal of the project was to improve not only the aesthetic of the area, but to promote the prominence and contribution of the Chinese community in Seattle. After nearly a decade of work and hundreds of thousands of dollars of fundraising, the first gate was completed in 2008 on South King Street near Fifth Avenue South.

Members of the Historic Gate Foundation say that planning for the second gate is still in preliminary phases and no location has been selected yet. However, two locations are being considered: One is at Eighth Avenue South and South King Street, just west of I-5, and the other is at Twelfth Avenue South and South King Street, which is technically in Little Saigon, a Vietnamese neighborhood.

The proposal of this second location in Little Saigon, while not set in stone, has some members of the Vietnamese community upset about the perceived lack of communication in the planning process.

Quang Nguyen, a board member of the Washington Vietnamese American Chamber of Commerce, said he first heard about the proposed location in Little Saigon through word of mouth about three months ago.

"Somebody said to me, 'Hey, did you know they’re planning to put another gate up at Twelfth and King?' " Nguyen recalled. "When I realized where it was, I immediately thought it was absolutely the wrong place to put the gate."

Quang, along with others in the Vietnamese community, feel that Twelfth Avenue South and South King Street would be the wrong place to put the gate because it is essentially in the heart of Little Saigon, and two blocks east of the dividing boundary provided by I-5.

Tuck Eng, president of the Historic Gate group and a lifelong resident of Seattle, is well aware of the boundary issue. In fact, Eng and the other eight members of the Historic Gate Foundation say that their ideal location for the gate would be at Eighth Avenue South and South King Street, just a few blocks over, but there's a problem. The business and property owners adjacent to that intersection have not given their approval for the project, whereas over at Twelfth Avenue South, the property owners have said they would have no complaints. Despite the intersection of Twelfth Avenue South and South King Street being in Little Saigon, the property owners there are Chinese.

Just a few blocks west over at Eighth Avenue South sit the Four Seas Restaurant and Wing Luke Museum. Eng said he has approached the property owners at those locations several times during the past six months, but they have not given him their consent to move forward, because they say they may want to further develop the property in the future and worry that a large monument across the street may impede their ability to do so.

One important thing has changed, however, since the last gate was planned that could allow Eng to bypass the property owners. This would require Eng and the rest of the board to go straight to the city's Department of Neighborhoods to make a recommendation to the Seattle City Council — a move that may be more political than Eng had originally anticipated, but necessary to avoid conflict with Vietnamese community members in Little Saigon.

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Posted Sat, Dec 18, 5:03 p.m. Inappropriate

I had no idea the original plan called for two gates. Aren't the ones in Philadelphia and Washington D.C. singletons?

I'm not opposed to the idea of a second one, but it should definitely be at 8th, not 12th. And this isn't just a matter of neighborhood boundaries, which are generally fluid, but of intercultural relations.

Posted Mon, Dec 20, 7:57 a.m. Inappropriate

Has the group proposing the gate shown any evidence that the first gate has had any positive effects on the neighborhood? The new projects that really bring people to the ID have been Wing Luke, Uwajimaya, Kobo, the rehab of the American Hotel into a hostel and the improvement of its ground floor retail, Interim's continued work, and the PDA's on going rehab's and management.

Posted Mon, Dec 20, 4:45 p.m. Inappropriate

What's really great about the first gate, is that to the North of it is "Joe's" a dive bar if I ever saw one. One imagines that if you needed a loose skipper for a drug run, that you'd find one sloshed here at 9am.

And to the South, is a vacant decrepit building with a parking lot just West of it.


and use google street view to see for yourself.

I happen to like these bits of public art, but for the money spent it didn't improve the immediate neighborhood.


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