Innocents abroad in Hitler's 'Garden of Beasts': a talk with Seattle author Erik Larson

Larson discusses his latest nonfiction book, the exhaustively researched story of a novice American ambassador and his family caught up in the mayhem of Berlin during the rise of the Third Reich.


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Berlin, 1933. On January 30, German President Paul von Hindenburg swore in Adolf Hitler as chancellor of a coalition government. On February 27, the Reichstag (legislature) building burned and Communists were blamed, although some suspected agents of Hitler. After the fire, the government suspended basic civil rights, and the Nazis used anti-communist hysteria to attack their enemies.

In March, an enabling act made Hitler’s government a legal dictatorship. In July, the Nazi Party became the only legal political party in Germany.

Also in July, a new American ambassador stumbled onto this seething scene. William E. Dodd, a history professor without foreign service experience, set up residence across from Berlin’s Central Park, the Tiergarten (“garden of beasts”), with his wife Mattie, son Bill, and flamboyant daughter Martha.

Dodd initially hoped to reason with Hitler, while Martha had a parade of affairs with prominent Nazis, including the first chief of the Gestapo, Rudolf Diels. Within a year, however, both were disillusioned by the terror and violence of the new Germany, vividly evinced by the massacre of Hitler’s political enemies on the weekend of June 30, 1934, the Night of the Long Knives.

In a new book, In the Garden of Beasts: Love, Terror, and an American Family in Hitler’s Berlin, nonfiction author Erik Larson recounts the rise of the Nazis through the eyes of Ambassador Dodd and his daughter Martha, witnesses to a deepening darkness in Germany as Hitler consolidated power.

Larson exhaustively researched the papers of the Dodd family and their associates as well as Hitler and other German leaders in archives and the Library of Congress. By the time he finished the book, Larson said, he suffered “a low-grade depression.” He hadn’t realized how much the darkness of Hitler’s rule “would infiltrate my own soul.”

Reviewers praise Larson’s elegant writing and meticulous research. In The New York Times, Janet Maslin wrote, “there has been nothing quite like Mr. Larson’s story of the four Dodds, characters straight out of a 1930s family drama, transporting their shortcomings to a new world full of nasty surprises." UW history professor emeritus and distinguished teacher Jon Bridgman said: “Even though I know the history, I was carried by the narrative tension described by other readers. It’s a very impressive book.”

Larson, whose prior books include The Devil in the White City, Thunderstruck, and Isaac’s Storm, lives in Seattle with his wife and three daughters. Here's what he had to say in an extensive interview about his new work.

Lindley: You’ve written wide-ranging books of history. What drew you to Berlin in 1933 and the early days of the Third Reich under Hitler?

Larson: About five or six years ago, I was looking for my next idea. I wanted to jump-start my thinking, so I went to a bookstore and browsed the history section to see what resonated. I found William Shirer’s Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, which I had always meant to read. It’s fairly intimidating: about 1200 pages of tiny print, no photographs. I started reading and got caught up in it because it reads like a thriller.

As I was reading, I realized that William Shirer had actually been there from 1934 and until the U.S. got involved in the war, [and] met these people face to face: Hitler, Goebbels, Goering, Himmler, Heydrich. He talked with them at a time when nobody knew how this all would turn out.

I started to think, what must that have been like in 1933 Berlin? Say you’re in café enjoying a cup of coffee with a friend, and Hitler is driven by in an open car. Would you have felt a chill? Would you have been thrilled?

Lindley: And you focus on this American family in Berlin: the Dodds.

Larson: I came across William E. Dodd [and] read his diary and was absolutely fascinated. I had never before heard of Dodd, the US Ambassador to Germany, this history professor who was picked out of the blue by Roosevelt.

I was intrigued by that aspect, but it was with [Dodd’s daughter] Martha’s memoir that I realized these might be the people through whose eyes I could tell this story, as a nonfiction Grimm Brothers fairy tale: the two innocents enter the forest and it gets darker and darker and darker. And I wanted to capture the sense of darkening in that period.

Lindley: President Roosevelt chose Dodd as ambassador but he was a very unlikely choice, wasn’t he?

Larson: He was definitely an unlikely choice…. Clearly, Roosevelt’s administration did not think at that point that Hitler and Germany were a serious problem to be dealt with…. Personally, I think Dodd was a good choice because he had his own moral compass. We now know nobody could have done much about Hitler, but at least Dodd did not suck up to or cave into the Nazi demands. He was exactly what Roosevelt said he wanted: a model of American values.

Lindley: Dodd initially believes he can moderate Hitler and he also displays his own anti-Semitism.

Larson: When he arrives, Dodd doesn’t like the Nazis or the Third Reich, but his attitude is — as he wrote in a letter — to let them try their scheme and see what happens. And Dodd brings his own brand of anti-Semitism that was very common in America in that era. He had a his own feeling that there was a “Jewish problem.”

In one meeting with Hitler, he tries to find common ground. He said in America we have our own Jewish problem, but try to solve it differently and more humanely, referring to university quotas and so forth. That’s an astonishing moment when he’s sitting with the guy who ultimately launches the Holocaust.

Lindley: Dodd also described Hitler as unhinged during one meeting.

Larson: I believe that was the same conversation. Hitler loses it and says if this doesn’t stop, I’m going to put an end to all of the Jews. And that’s ultimately what happened. Dodd’s diary was published in 1939, before the Holocaust began, so it’s not someone editing his diary to make himself look smarter than he was. And also [Dodd reported] the same thing in his dispatches in 1934.

Lindley: You vividly portray the blatant violence against Jews and even beatings of American visitors in Berlin in 1933.

Larson: In the months immediately following Hitler’s appointment as chancellor and after the Reichstag fire there was a spasm of outright violence mostly against communists and Social Democrats, but also against Jews. By the time Dodd arrived, the physical violence against Jews had pretty much come to a halt.... But there was a quieter and in many ways more destructive campaign under way against Jews in the background.

The surprising thing in terms of violence for me was the Americans who were beat up in Berlin in random, sporadic attacks involving a perceived lack of respect for an event such as a storm trooper parade. Even though the government had stated that Americans were not obligated to offer the Hitler salute in the presence of the storm troopers, the storm troopers didn’t quite see it that way.


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Comments:

Posted Wed, Jun 22, 11:23 a.m. Inappropriate

This is a great book and the Crosscut Q & A makes it even more interesting. It wasn't about civil liberties, but Seattle's official "tolerance policy" toward gambling and other illegal activities in the 1950s and 1960s led to actual corruption of the police department. Good intentions can go awry and Erik Larson's last point about vigilance has implications beyond free speech.

ctb

Posted Wed, Jun 22, 11:48 a.m. Inappropriate

Plug for Real Change: they totally got the scoop on this one!

eyesopen

Posted Wed, Jun 22, 1:57 p.m. Inappropriate

What is totally amazing to me is how a democracy elected a dictator. It didn't take much for the institutions that should have prevented this from being overwhelmed by the craziness of the Nazi's. Failure of the courts to prosecute the abuses of power, failure of the citizens to riot in opposition at their lost freedoms. When I read about that era, the story of the boiled frog comes to mind. And in our own era, how we've let our own freedoms be diminished.

GaryP

Posted Sun, Jun 26, 9:58 a.m. Inappropriate

The 1950's made-in-japan movie/tv series Starman, w/ dubbed voices, documents some person's idea of our future with a space hero Starman who fistfights and acrobat flips caucasian/japanese goose-stepping nazi leftovers.
Consult your video bibliographer for title. Mcginn is correct like all Irish were back then...

Wells

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