Chris Hansen: Enough patience for Seattle process?

In an exclusive interview, the hedge-fund manager discusses traffic, what he sees as the unfairness of putting all traffic fixes on a sports arena, a sports entertainment district, and his own role.

Chris Hansen, left, with Mayor Mike McGinn during a press event.

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Chris Hansen, left, with Mayor Mike McGinn during a press event.

Site of the proposed new arena in SoDo. First Avenue South is the western boundary; the Safeco Field garage is to the north.

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Site of the proposed new arena in SoDo. First Avenue South is the western boundary; the Safeco Field garage is to the north.

CenturyLink and Safeco Field could be joined by a sports arena.

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CenturyLink and Safeco Field could be joined by a sports arena.

Chris Hansen describes himself as a patient guy who takes a long term view of everything in his charge.

Which is good, because he's beginning to feel just a bit annoyed at the process of getting his proposed arena project off the ground.

"So much attention on one thing," he said, offering a small smile over lunch last Thursday (April 26). He is hoping to advance the public discussion beyond the issues of traffic and parking that have spawned dismay from the Mariners, the Port of Seattle, the industrial council -- his would-be neighbors in SoDo.

But it's not as if his day job as a hedge-fund manager has left him with no experience in the bruising give-and-take of business.

"I have a very thick skin - I have to in my business," he said. "I’m happy to be engaged in this for four, five or six years, however long it takes to nurture the project, as required."

So for basketball fans lamenting the loss of the Sonics, don't worry: He's not flinching. But beyond the more modest issues of strident words and narrow media focus is a serious matter: Who pays for whatever street upgrades are necessary to placate SoDo's aggrieved parties?

It won't be him. And the city is staying mum.

In an exclusive, lengthy interview with Sportspress Northwest -- portions are below and the the full transcript is in two parts, here and here, on SportspressNW.com  -- Hansen said he doesn't know yet what the resolution will be. He's funding a traffic study, due in about a month, to find out more, but is unlikely to be the only or even primary source of cash for needs that some say could run more than $100 million.

"If someone tries to put me on the hook for an infrastructure project of this magnitude that should be undertaken by the city, it would make this project not viable," he said. "If you tack that onto the cost of an arena, it would be unrealistic."

The issue has come up because a previous city project designed to alleviate SoDo traffic congestion had its funding diverted several years ago to the Mercer Street improvement project. The recession and its subsequent loss of tax revenues has constrained the city budget to re-fund the SoDo fix, chiefly a "flyover" of the railroad tracks on Lander Street, just south of the proposed arena site, that would keep auto traffic from snarling at a busy railroad crossing.

Beyond the issues of convenience for sports fans and teams, the arena project raises big urban-planning questions for the future of SoDo.

As Hansen put it, "There's only one way for downtown to grow."

He and others see the aging industrial district as the future home for high-tech and other businesses to replace the maritime and blue-collar businesses that have long occupied the city's south end. The development of light rail, a streetcar system, and the end of the Alaskan Way viaduct open up opportunities and problems for current and future businesses.

In the interview, Hansen declined to talk about prospects for team relocation or who will join him in a partnership to build the arena and purchase teams if and when they become available.

He did say that most plugged-in Seattleites will be familiar with the names on his short list -- should the dream be realized.

"Right now, there's nothing to sign up to," Hansen said. "I’m not under any pressure to put a group together. I’m financing the land acquisition myself.

"There will be plenty of household names on the list. I think you (media) should rest assured that a lot of the right people are interested."

Meantime, he said negotiations over details in the memorandum of understanding between him, the city and King County are going smoothly: "All parties have stayed true to the framework of the deal, and only minor, technical issues remain."

Hansen was relaxed, candid and incisive in his understanding of the logistics and politics that are a part of the deal.

But if he had his druthers, he would have participated in the return of the NBA as a minority owner "with an aspiration to a majority stake when I was more ready."

That said, he is fully engaged, even if he makes his appearances at quiet lunches rather than flamboyant press conferences.

"The (pro sports) owners who are less seen tend to be more successful," he said. "I don’t mean detached. You can’t be detached. This is not a hobby. It does require your commitment at the highest level."

Here are highlights from the transcript of the conversation with Hansen, the Seattle native and hedge fund manager from San Francisco who wants to build a $490 million arena in Seattle's SoDo district that would house relocated NBA and NHL teams.

Thiel: Regarding the controversy over traffic and parking raised by SoDo businesses including the Mariners, does it feel as if you walked into a family fight about commitments unkept by the city?

Hansen: I knew a little bit, but probably not enough. I went at the site selection in a non-political way. It’s a great site with two stadiums already here. And any event at the arena would bring half the crowd of the other venues. If (other sports teams) can get people in and out, it should be relatively easy for us.

Traffic will be a problem with any site. The port has valid concerns. But most of the problems existed before we got here. If you use the analogy of a car’s carbon footprint, if we we can make the arena’s carbon footprint negative, we’re doing a good thing. The thing we underestimated was people using our project as a tool to get their needs addressed before we ever brought up the project.

Thiel: So the arena represents leverage for some constituencies?

Hansen: I’m sure at some level that’s probably the thinking. But it would be unfair of me to comment.

Thiel: Is it is clear to you yet who will be responsible for road/traffic improvements such as a possible Lander Street overpass, from which funds were diverted years ago, and now would cost as much as $180 million by some estimates?

Hansen: I’ll say it like this: I’m going to make a financial commitment to an arena. It’s pretty much set how much I’ll put in. Some could be redirected to other areas. If someone tries to put me on the hook for an infrastructure project of this magnitude that should be undertaken by the city, it would make this project not viable. If you tack that onto the cost of an arena, it would be unrealistic.

We’re funding a traffic study, which is really on behalf of other constituencies. The city’s involvement is to assure independence, and it is running the show more than we are. The discussion probably needs to happen on what the optimal solution is.

There’s only one direction for downtown to grow. South Lake Union is pretty well filled up. When downtown expands into Sodo, with or without an arena, there’s going to be conflict with the port, railroads and others. That discussion has to take place. Our role is that when we bring night events here, we will make things better, not worse.


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Comments:

Posted Wed, May 2, 7:13 a.m. Inappropriate

Hansen says: "There’s only one direction for downtown to grow. South Lake Union is pretty well filled up. When downtown expands into Sodo, with or without an arena, there’s going to be conflict with the port, railroads and others. That discussion has to take place. Our role is that when we bring night events here, we will make things better, not worse."
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Not on my watch, bubba. Take your hedge fund sh*t to Bellevue and keep your dirty hands off SoDo.

ivan

Posted Thu, May 3, 12:02 a.m. Inappropriate

Fight you on that, Ivan. Hansen's on my watch, and has full support.

Posted Wed, Jun 6, 7:38 p.m. Inappropriate

Then read this from Crosscut common-not-sense:

http://crosscut.com/2012/06/04/sports/108977/bank-study-debunks-claims-public-benefits-new-spor/?_cs=1#c34866

No more sports arenas to benefit the rich. Let them do it themselves.

Posted Wed, May 2, 8:44 a.m. Inappropriate

What about Rainier Valley? I heard that idea floated.

It's troubling that a guy from San Francisco can come and tell the rest of us what can and can't be done.

You would think there would be more to get done in this city - by elected officials, no less - than expending this kind of energy on yet another sports venue.

westello

Posted Thu, May 3, 12:03 a.m. Inappropriate

Hansen grew up here. How about you?

Posted Wed, Jun 6, 7:38 p.m. Inappropriate

Irrelevant.

Posted Wed, May 2, 8:47 a.m. Inappropriate

Hansen talking about directing where Seattle should grow -- to ultimately force out jobs in Seattle's vital industrial & manufacturing center -- while he plans to continue living in San Francisco is a bit much. The only apparent imperative for building the arena in Sodo is because he (and perhaps yet-to-be-named partners) own land there.

There is a site father south on the cusp of Seattle that was looked at before, I think the old AG warehouse site owned by Sabey Corp., that would be much better connected via roads and rail, and that would not impose additional commerce-stifling constriction on the waterfront terminals and railroads that are so vital to our trade-dependent economy. There are also sites in Bellevue, Renton and even the Key Arena site that could be reworked. But the site in Sodo makes no sense.

Posted Wed, May 2, 11:54 a.m. Inappropriate

Traffic is one thing, but the biggest is the question of whether it makes sense to use public bonding for this sort of enterprise. Could that bonding capacity be used better for other things and would the risk of taxpayer liability be worth the risk?

Citizen

Posted Wed, May 2, 4:19 p.m. Inappropriate

At the heart of the problem is this comment: "There's only one way for downtown to grow. He and others see the aging industrial district as the future home for high-tech and other businesses to replace the maritime and blue-collar businesses that have long occupied the city's south end."

This is precisely the crux of a hedge manager's thinking. Why? If you keep those businesses, they may provide good jobs, tax revenue, nodes for freight to depart from and arrive at, but they WON"T provide outlets for investments of the kind that hedge fund manager's clients are interested in: new upscale retail outlets, high-end residential (condos), "signature" office buildings for Fortune 500 companies. Think what has happened to South Lake Union and you get the idea. That's his idea of development. It is that kind of thinking that destroyed the working waterfront in San Francisco, and will do so here if we let it.

TomB

Posted Thu, May 3, 12:05 a.m. Inappropriate

Hansen has a large following, and support.

The city council should wish they had as much support.

This smells good to me.

Posted Wed, Jun 6, 7:43 p.m. Inappropriate

Get your olifactory nerve checked. Then read the link above. Some people are easily romanced by people who sift expensive paper all day. Go out and work for your dollars then come back and remind me how important a sports arena is.

Posted Wed, May 2, 7:57 p.m. Inappropriate

Tom B, The "working waterfront" is leaving on its own to Tacoma.

Westello, that "outsider" used to live in the Rainier Valley.

And the Bellevue cheerleaders, nothing is preventing anybody on the east side from promoting their own arena proposal, partnering with the county, using the same tax containment idea. All they have to do is compete. The secret back room talks have amounted to nothing in Bellevue. They have been hoping for either a handout from the state or one of the land owners over their to participate.
You see nothing because they have nothing to show for all of their posturing.

SODO is zoned for stadiums, and is supported by every major transportation infrastructure project imaginable. What's left is complaining about things changing by people without the mind or the means to put forward a superior proposal.

Mr Baker

Posted Fri, May 18, 5:38 p.m. Inappropriate

Oh, I'm sure Hansen's patient. He knows that he's dealing with a pack of corrupt, insecure small-town boosters. Look, he's holding out a gigantic wad of cheese, in front of a group of hungry "progressive" rats who never smelled a hunk of cheese they didn't find a way to gobble down. The skids are as greased as skids will ever get. We have the best "progressive" city and council councils a billionaire could purchase.

The arena is a terrible idea. An honest government would have laughed at all this. Even a corrupt "world class" local government would've laughed, like Boston did when the owner of the New England Patriots threatened to move them to Hartford, Connecticut if he didn't get a new stadium at public expense.

At the end of the day, he wound up with a new freeway interchange. And when the Red Sox -- the Red Sox, for God's sakes -- made noises about a "public-private partnership," the powers that be in Boston told 'em to go to hell. That's how "world class" cities handle their cheap shysters. And when they want a boondoggle, like the Big Dig, they get the federal government to buy it for them.

Seattle? World class? Oh please. Who on earth does anyone here think he is kidding? Seattle is a bush league Western boom town if there ever was one. Putty in the hands of any rich cattle baron with a hunk of cheese in his pocket. The "progressives" here are the most laughable of all, because they actually seem to think they're morally and intellectually above it all, when it's plain to see that they're wallowing in the swamps same as anyone else.

NotFan

Posted Wed, Jun 6, 7:46 p.m. Inappropriate

Who cares if Seattle is world class? I'd rather it be smart. We have so much to attend to to upgrade infrastructure, provide a good education to our kids, and take care of our environment which is the jewel in our crown so far. Sports arenas. Good Lord! McGinn is finally disappoint one of his last fans with this crap.

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