First, a compliment to Bruce Agnew of the Cascadia Center for Regional Development. The guy keeps pushing for new ideas in transportation, even when the rest of us are running away from the Heartbreak House of bold new ideas to solve our congestion.
Cascadia wants to grab the Eastside rail line that might otherwise be torn up for a walking trail and make it into a Snohomish-to-Renton commuter rail line. (Cheap, but the line does not really go where the cities are.) The institute wants to solve the Alaskan Way Viaduct problem by boring a tunnel under Second Avenue, deflecting the through traffic so the waterfront only needs a modest surface boulevard. (Expensive, and needing a private partner, which alarms public-sector Democrats.) And now, a network of foot ferries on Puget Sound.
Not so fast. While we are enjoying a binge of nostalgia for old-fashioned transit, such as streetcars, this is an idea with more problems than charm. First, let's hear the pitch, from Agnew's column in the Sunday Focus section of the Sunday Seattle Post-Intelligencer:
The Port Townsend-Seattle holiday season run illuminated a tantalizing past-as-prologue notion. Passenger-only vessels should still be crisscrossing the Salish Sea, breaching political boundaries in Puget Sound and someday British Columbia, as they did when Native American and First Nation tribes used these waterways for trading and socializing. Later in our pre-interstate highway history, the ubiquitous "Mosquito Fleet" foot ferries carried people and goods from Victoria to Olympia.
Regional leaders increasingly get that foot ferries using our abundant waterways can establish new and direct city-to-city connections, plus temporarily substitute for dry-docked car ferries, and provide crucial emergency transportation if a major earthquake destroys our bridges and highways – as San Francisco tragically experienced in 1989.
Pie in the sky, I say, with some regret. Among the problems, which have long bedeviled such attempts at revival, are these. Ferries take large parking lots, which are devilishly hard to shoehorn into existing cities. They move very small numbers of people, mostly tourists and some executive commuters, for quite high costs (including fuel). Since they are mostly for tourists, they don't work in our long rainy season. They require cross-jurisdictional agreements that are notoriously hard to execute in our Balkanized politics. They have to slow down in some critical places, lest their wakes disturb shorelines. And they siphon off money from the car-and-passenger ferries, which badly need the funds.
An illustration of these points is the Vashon Island ferry, where for reasons of cost the state had to get out of the foot ferry business to downtown Seattle. Of course, there are ferries to West Seattle where, if you could ever convince Metro to run lots of coordinated buses from the terminal to downtown, you could effectively have an autoless service, saving millions of dollars. Hasn't happened. Not Metro's problem.
I rest my case.
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Comments:
Posted Mon, Feb 11, 1:58 a.m. Inappropriate
Come on now.: Cascadia wants to grab the Eastside rail line that might otherwise be torn up for a walking trail and make it into a Snohomish-to-Renton commuter rail line. (Cheap, but the line does not really go where the cities are.)
Are you serious? It runs within 5 blocks of downtown Bellevue, Renton, and Woodinville. A couple of parking garages and this train line will be full to capacity. Let's not downplay this because it's not a light rail/subway/public works project that costs billions of dollars. This is the real deal that won't cost taxpayers much - a great solution.
Posted Mon, Feb 11, 7:30 a.m. Inappropriate
How About We Save the Basic Ferries First?: Agnew has a lot of fun ideas but little to show of them.
I'd be willing to consider a whole bunch more passenger ferries on the Sound only after the basics of running the overall fleet are secured for the long term. Washington State Ferries has been allowed to rust apart by the Washington State Legislature.
Until the state ferries are ship shape from Friday Harbor to Tacoma we'd be smart to file ideas for massive expansion of a foot ferry fleet. Until then, Agnew's idea is an expensive diversion. Who is behind his scheme?
Posted Mon, Feb 11, 8:58 a.m. Inappropriate
Just because we lack leadership now, doesn't mean we always will: You point to the fact that Metro doesn't offer good transportation service now as a reason why it won't offer it in the future. We now have a strong and compelling need to fix the regional transportation problems and passenger ferries are a potential part of a viable system. Yes, Metro has been shackled by a moronic operating agreement that forces it to provide lousy service where it has riders and good service where no one uses it. Yes, we have never had a coordinated transit system, and we have never had the leadership to create something, but that doesn't mean it's impossible. These are small, simple fixes that any competent administrator could implement (as the Kitsap County Transit authority already has done), and you hold that up as a reason for throwing out a perfectly decent solution.
Posted Mon, Feb 11, 11:23 a.m. Inappropriate
Eastside Rail Details: Understanding Eastside Rail requires an understanding of the Eastside.
It is true that the proposed joint rail trail operation does not go through the center of downtown Bellevue - it does however go through the it's outer reaches, including Bellevue City Hall.
As such a connection from the light rail is needed - however the housing and office density is large enough here to justify it - unlike other areas of failed Sound Transit light rail proposals.
If one takes the position that light rail service should start where it is justified a 'sweet spot' emerges from the alternatives. Build the core element of Light rail in such a fashion as to serve as a circulator through this medium-high density area during its initial years of operation (like Tacoma's Link).
This does add to the costs of the very cheap construction opportunity of expanding Sounder service (very popular with South King and Pierce Commuters - who also work on the Eastside) - however when viewed in the context of the entire region's needs it makes one hell of a lot of sense.
FWIW, Mr. Agnew is closer to the solution on this one than you Mr. Brewster - in part because he did the work. But what do you care - you, or your generation won't be paying for it, though no doubt you are getting some of the revenue, some how.
-Douglas Tooley
Lincoln, Tacoma
Posted Mon, Feb 11, 11:32 a.m. Inappropriate
Ferry Ideas: The director of Kitsap Transit several years ago floated an idea that makes sense in this discussion - and may well the victim of exactly the balkanization effect Brewster points out.
His idea was to use a car ferry as your transit center - transfer among routes while actually on the boat. This though requires buses that operate on both sides of the Sound - presumably also, for efficiencies sake, fuller buses.
Posted Tue, Feb 12, 10:24 a.m. Inappropriate
Why push a pig through a snake?: We've heard some negative comments about foot ferries, so just for balance let's hear from the other side. The first thing we have to accept about ferries - be they foot or auto - is that they will always require public funding for operational and capital expenses. In that regard they are no different from roads, buses, bike paths, passenger rail and all other forms of public transportation. That being said, there is room for public/private partnerships and I'm convinced it is only through a public/private partnership that foot ferries will ever be feasible. There are workable models in the SF Bay area and in New York. Second, it is a myth that large parking lots are needed to serve foot ferries. Multiple small lots served by frequent shuttle service worked brilliantly when WSF and Kitsap Transit operated foot ferries. The other big advantage of foot ferries is that they reduce the need for large terminals and large road systems designed to handle ridership peaks associated with the large boats WSF now operates. Currently, WSF pushes a huge mass of cars and people through its terminals four to six times a day. The facilites and connecting roads are, and must be, designed (at great cost) to handle these periodic massive surges. And despite the effort to design for these surges, the facilities are overwhelmed during peak commute times. It's like trying to push a pig through a snake. The rest of the time the facilities and roads are underutilized. Smaller, faster, more frequent foot ferries, combined with frequent landside shuttle service would minimize the surges and the need to continually invest in terminals and roads to serve them. In addition, there's no need to repave the water - ever. Nor is there a need to buy right-of-way - it's already publicly owned. The only real obstacle to effective foot ferry service is the same obstacle faced by all public transportation - the growing percentage of the populace that is unwilling to pay for something that they don't personally use. As long as this attitude prevails, public transportation will remain a political quagmire.
Posted Tue, Feb 12, 1:09 p.m. Inappropriate
Vashon not representative of foot-ferry market: I just want to make one more point about foot ferries. Brewster uses the example of Vashon Island as an example of how difficult it is to find riders for foot ferries. It's the wrong example. For decades, Vashon's ferry traffic has been oriented toward West Seattle. That fact created its own passenger market - a market oriented toward West Seattle. Foot ferry ridership for Vashon, even at its peak, never approximated foot ferry ridership from Bremerton. That's because Bremerton (and many other parts of Kitsap County) have been connected to downtown Seattle by ferry for many decades - creating a self-fulfilling market. Foot ferries with the proper amount of reliable public funding, and priced right can succeed and bring real transportation benefits to the region. See my post above for more information.
Posted Thu, Feb 14, noon Inappropriate
Foot Ferries across Lake Wash already studied!: In late 90's I was on a committee which met in Kirkland City Hall to study Foot Ferries across Lake Wash. Result - won't work. Downtown Kirkland doesn't want to be a transit hub; they had to move too slowly near Webster Pt and through canal, etc, so not time effective; and the rowing community came out in full force against them. I like them in theory - but, alas, tell King Co to refund the recent property tax increase to study them - again! County Council woman Jane Hague on original committee - can't she remember the results? She thinks we should be taxed to study the possibility AGAIN??