Danny Westneat's Wednesday morning Seattle Times column, documenting a new resident's first-hand victimizations locally by crime and violence — and Seattle Police's seeming indifference to same — no doubt will trigger a public debate about our local values. Where does tolerance end and public complacency begin?
Westneat's newcomer is returning to the city from whence he came — yes, crime-ridden Detroit — where he feels safer, believe it or not.
What about public safety locally? I live in Belltown near the Sculpture Park. As does the man in Westneat's column, I regularly see out-in-the-open drug dealing, especially in Steinbrueck Park near the Public Market, which police choose to overlook. Walking toward downtown, I always avoid Elliott and Western Avenues, where obvious bad actors regularly mingle among the day workers and harmless homeless in the neighborhood. Yesterday I saw a family of out-of-town tourists intimidated into providing a handout to three rough-looking panhandlers. Tuba Man was murdered a few blocks from where I live, while standing at a bus stop.
Public safety is government's first responsibility. Yet, here, we seem not always to take it seriously. Former police chief Norm Stamper, nationally known for his permissive law enforcement, viewed WTO demonstrators, before the fact, as harmless flower children, although the demonstrators' aims and tactics had been in prior evidence elsewhere. We affirmed laxer enforcement of local marijuana laws, although on-the-street officers will tell you the new upward limit of marijuana possession is ridiculously high. Hempfest is treated as a getting-high Seafair.
Are we too mellow or, putting it another way, unconcerned?
Earlier this week, a not-unrelated matter made its way into the national media: Namely, that 40 percent of all American births, two years ago, were out of wedlock. Depression-born and college-age in the 1950s, I would not want to return to those days when unmarried pregnancies were reason for disgrace and where young women "went on a trip" for a while before returning unpregnant. Nor should unmarried mothers be stigmatized. They have proved, time and again, that their care and love is equal to those of mothers in traditional marriage — sometimes superior.
Yet, at the same time, we know that in minority communities, in particular, absent fathers are a big problem. We also know that data indicate kids do better in all respects when raised in a traditional home. Marriage creates bonds and obligations that unmarried relationships do not. That is why, among other reasons, I support gay marriage, although it often has nothing to do with child-raising.
In New York, then-District Attorney Rudy Giuliani cleaned up a previously crime-ridden city by enforcing a "zero-tolerance" policy against all violations. When offenders were locked up for minor violations, the city found, major violations also fell off. Many of the same people were found to be committing both. The Giuliani policy changed the city's culture and sense of what was and was not acceptable.
Seattle would never opt for Giuliani-like law enforcement. But what kind of law enforcement, based on what values, do we want? What are our social norms? Questions for the day, and maybe salient ones in the current Mayor's race.
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Posted Wed, Apr 8, 4:12 p.m. Inappropriate
Is arresting people the only solution? It seems to me we as a nation already have the highest rate of incarceration in the world. Have you ever considered the harm of this kind of stigmatization? What about the creepy way that your personal data is being harvested and gathered from your many private business contacts, then is being scored in a credit rating which often restricts your access to employment or other solutions just when you need a break most. How about trying friendliness?
Many people seeking drugs, for example, are likely just trying to escape some of the misery they have had forced on them. Is this a smart response on their part? Maybe not, but I also hardly think that punishing these people even more than what they have already been is hardly the solution. None of the "War on Drugs" types of solutions have ever worked longterm, it just moves it away and makes the people who are stuck even more desperate.
Posted Wed, Apr 8, 4:52 p.m. Inappropriate
Sorry, EJS, your "argument" is rationalizatio...
Civilized societies do not tolerate this type of behavior. When they do, they cease being civilized since they've ceded the setting of standards and norms to the lowest (read "criminal") common deominator. Pathetic...
If you wish to avoid the stigma of incarceration, don't do things that result in incarceration. It is that simple.
Seattle's new motto ought to be "Defining deviancy down..." Tolerance run amok.
The Piper
Posted Wed, Apr 8, 5:54 p.m. Inappropriate
EJS - Your strategy for addressing crime is "friendliness?" Good lord...
Posted Thu, Apr 9, 8:48 a.m. Inappropriate
I think I actually agree with most of what Ted is saying, but not really getting the connections. Too much crime right out in the open = bad. Single moms = good ... but deadbeat dads = bad. Gay marriage = good. I'll take a leap here and suggest he is saying that childhood problems related to non-intact families are causing crime. Maybe, but this seems only peripherally related to current public safety concerns -- fixing this might lessen crime, but with a time lag of 15+ years. Oh I know, since the police are not busy cracking down on street crime, they should turn their attention to matchmaking and up the percentage of two-parent households!
Posted Thu, Apr 9, 10:31 a.m. Inappropriate
Seattle too mellow on crime? Absolutely. I also read Danny Westneat’s Wednesday column, and felt my blood boil. Much as I did shortly after my retirement when I learned of the Christopher Kime beating death during Mardi Gras. Public safety is, indeed, government’s first responsibility.
So, I’m “nationally known for…permissive law enforcement…”? By whom, nationally, am I known for “permissive” policing?
Despite my well-known views on the drug war, I required my officers to enforce drug laws, and I supported them with resources. We targeted the street-dealing you describe. We went undercover with buy-busts on hand-to-hand transactions. We did “walk and talks.” We went after “Mr. Big,” the heavy trafficker who supplies street dealers. Our goal was to work with the community to make the streets safe, to make our neighborhoods feel safe.
Violence in the home, which gives rise to all other forms of violence, was my top priority. But we gave a hell of a lot more than lip service to predatory street crimes. Gang drive-bys, especially retaliatory shootings were simply not tolerated. Same with street muggings, carjackings, sexual assaults, home invasions.
(Of course, one of the smartest things we could do to reduce street crime is to end the drug war. Regulate, tax, and control drugs and we’ll put a stop to the violent, multi-billion dollar cartels. And the open-air street dealing you see all around you in your Belltown neighborhood. Why do you think all those “minority” fathers you write about are absent from the lives of their children? They’re in prison, the majority of them, serving long terms for nonviolent drug offenses.)
Giuliani deserves credit for helping clean up NYC. The “broken windows” theory works. But hizzoner, who stole much of the glory from his police commissioner, Bill Bratton, behaved in a way that condoned racial discrimination, police brutality, and trigger-happy cops. Think Abner Louima. Think Amadou Dialo.
Police officers can be tough on crime and still respectful of one another, the communities they service, and the Bill of Rights. Good cops demonstrate this every day.
Hempfest? Visit it. See for yourself if you don’t think SPD’s policy was then and is now sane and sensible.
By the way, when you “always avoid Elliott and Western Avenues”? You and others of like mind cede the streets to those “bad actors.” Of course, the police have a role, a huge one. But so do the residents. Cowboy up, get yourself back out there on the mean streets. Not as the Lone Ranger, mind you. Round up a posse and help reclaim your neighborhood.
WTO? I screwed up. I’m sorry.
Posted Thu, Apr 9, 2:40 p.m. Inappropriate
Ted, you should read Freakonomics for a compelling take on why crime rates across the country dropped when they did. The reasons had little to do with the mayor.
Demographic trends aside, the police obviously have a huge role to play, and I don't think it's a coincidence that things have gone way down hill since Stamper left. Why was he pushed out, because he didn't anticipate all hell would break lose at the WTO? Sure, that was an error, but an understandable one (no one predicted it), and one that has nothing to do with 99.99999% of what effective police work in Seattle is all about.
We need smarts in our approach to policing, not brute force, and that's what Stamper brought. Seattle made a huge mistake in pushing him out.
Posted Thu, Apr 9, 2:47 p.m. Inappropriate
You're hanging that whole diatribe on what? A third-hand anecdote from a conservative paper? How about we try some actual data to look more reasonably at the question of whether Seattle is too mellow on a crime. First do we even have a crime problem? According to a 2007 report of crime ( http://www.morganquitno.com/cit07pop.htm#METRO )in 371 cities, 344 metropolitan areas: Seattle not in top 25 most dangerous of all nor in the top 10 of 32 cities with a similar size. It's about middle of the road. I'm shocked. Detroit however made number 2 most dangerous on the overall list and was number 1 in the list of cities of comparable size. Feel free to join your anecdotal friend there and enjoy running for your life.
Ok then how about the FBI stats (via http://www.cityrating.com/crimestatistics.asp)?
FBI report of offenses known to law enforcement (2002 data):
Seattle, population of 576,296 for violent crime (vc) was 1.15 times the national average per capita, and property crime (pc) was 1.82 times the national average per capita. Other cities:
Dallas pop 1.2 million, vc 2.29, pc 1.80
Detroit pop 927,766 vc 3.38, pc 1.58
Nashville pop 554,888 vc 2.51, pc 1.58
Portland OR pop 545,271 vc 1.36, pc 1.74
NY NY, pop 8 million vc 1.23, pc 0.49
(New York's number of course doesn't account for the trillions of dollars stolen on Wall Street, but that just reinforces the axiom: steal a little and go to jail, steal a lot and go to the government for a bailout.)
So Seattle is just about like every other city, except it's less violent. Again, color me surprised.
As to whether single parenting has anything to do with the crime stats, you provided no evidence whatsoever but merely referred us to a couple we-all-know's and made some vague reference to "data". Then you proceeded to point to a 40% increase in single mothers two years ago--are we really supposed to believe that these two-year olds suffering under single parenting have anything to do with the crime currently on the streets?
Honestly, the only thing we can conclude for certain from your piece is that web journalism is crying out for competent editors.
Posted Thu, Apr 9, 2:54 p.m. Inappropriate
Interesting comments all around. The matters of our Seattle attitudes toward public safety, and toward the weakening of traditional two-parent families, are connected because both reflect acceptance of social norms which are questionable. Former chief Norm Stamper's comments, although he probably would deny it, tend to ratify his general reputation for permissiveness. Before returning home to Seattle some eight-plus years ago, I made some inquiries in D.C. about public safety in Seattle. The main feedback from law enforcement and legal types was that the chief was permissive. Then came WTO, which was inexcusable and proved the point. I do not know Norm Stamper and presume he is a person of integrity. However, I do find myself in disagreement with his suggested approaches to the drug war and to cleaning up a neighborhood plagued by bad actors ("Cowboy up...round up a posse and reclaim your neighborhood"). The point about Hempfest is not that it is policed but that it is treated seriously by city officials, consumes public resources, and is legitimized. It tells our kids the stoner life is just OK. I've attended it three years running and regard it as an al fresco head shop with some passable music. Again, what does it say about our values and social norms?
Posted Fri, Apr 10, 8:32 a.m. Inappropriate
Ted Van Dyk is so wrong, on so many points here. Claiming that our former police chief Norm Stamper was "nationally known for his permissive law enforcement" is bunk. Can Ted come up with anything to document this slander?
Leave it to someone as old---and out of it---as Van Dyk to see Hempfest, which is filled with a cross section of Seattle, including thousands of middle class citizens and their kids, as some sort of "dangerous" event: complete nonsense. You're obviously hung up on the fact that times are changing and Hempfest, is yes, now "legitimized." Get used to it.
Making marijuana a crime actually increases crime. If you got over your cultural/ideological bias, Ted, you might be able to understand that. For you to equate the sick violence that unfortunately does sometimes occur on the streets of Seattle---or any other city, anywhere---with our increasingly sane and rational view of marijuana use is truly obtuse.
If you are just a grouchy old man who still can't get over his hatred of "the hippies" from 40 years ago, that's your problem. Good luck with that. But for you to try and stretch this obtuse cultural antipathy into an argument that links pot to violent crime is more than a stretch. It makes you look and sound like Archie Bunker.
Posted Fri, Apr 10, 12:17 p.m. Inappropriate
JimCap probably is typical of many in Seattle who would romanticize a lifestyle that does not deserve it. I visit Hempfest because I find it an interesting sociological event--and I like the musical stage events. Although JimCap would not believe it, I once was a musician and played
with a couple groups in Greenwich Village during my grad-school days.
JimCap may see thousands of middle class citizens and their kids at Hempfest but, over several years, I mainly see aging and younger dopers.
I do not hate hippies or anyone else. Everyone to his own lifestyle, just so it does not harm others or consume public resources provided by working taxpayers. Nowhere have I linked pot to violent crime. I simply made observations about our cultural norms here and suggested they need a second look. If JimCap thinks Hempfest is worth the public resources it consumes, including the cost of policing and of preparing and repairing Myrtle Edwards Park, he is welcome to his opinion. But, in my view, it should be neither publicly sanctioned or financed. In most American cities, it would not be.
Posted Sat, Apr 11, 12:17 p.m. Inappropriate
"The point about Hempfest is not that it is policed but that it is treated seriously by city officials, consumes public resources, and is legitimized. It tells our kids the stoner life is just OK."
I can't tell you how disappointing your bias and ignorance on this subject is. Guess what, Ted. Pot is already legitimate from a cultural standpoint, and the law will catch up soon enough, even if you never do.
As for the "stoner life", which life is that? Does it involve graduating from an ivy league school, getting a PhD, working at the largest software company in the world, starting your own successful business, and raising your family in one the wealthiest neighborhoods in the city? Because that's my "stoner life", and it's been pretty damn "OK". So have the diverse lives of the many pot smokers I know.
P.S. Marijuana has been shown to slow the effects of Alzheimer's disease.
Posted Sat, Apr 11, 2:32 p.m. Inappropriate
Hey, Sean, enjoy your pot. I presume you share it with your kids. Yes, marijuana has its medical uses. It also has a lot of deleterious health effects. Your choice. But that does not mean the city of Seattle should
spend financial and human resources facilitating marijuana's celebration.
Posted Sat, Apr 11, 5:13 p.m. Inappropriate
Thanks, I do and will, as will millions of others like and unlike me.
But why on earth would I share pot with my kids? What a cheap insult. Do you make the same presumption about parents who enjoy beer and wine? Horror movies? Pornography?
As for deleterious health effects, again, your ignorance is disappointing. Recent science shows that pot, like alcohol, actually has many health benefits.
Back to the legitimacy of people's lives: personally, I can't think of a worse hell than schlepping around Washington D.C. in a suit and having to deal with swarms of self-important, besuited politicians, aides, clerks, and lawyers, all on the government's dime. What a horrible waste of life. However, if you all decided to gather in Myrtle Edwards park once a year to hold forth on the legitimacy of people's lives, or whatever it is you do for fun, you have my full support. Such festivals and gatherings are part of what brings a city to life.
As for your question: "what does it say about our values and social norms?" It says we like to kick back and enjoy ourselves once in while.
P.S. Having lived a rough neighborhood, I understand your frustration with the apparent rise in street violence. Everyone in Seattle does. But Hempfest? Wow, you are barking up the wrong tree. In fact, I think it's a telephone pole. Time to get that prescription checked.