Alone at the press table
Do our news media still care about significant local civic projects? With smaller staffs and fewer resources, are they capable of providing good, in-depth coverage? Will they ignore important stories that aren’t gripping, sexy, or controversial? Answers: Maybe, maybe not, and apparently so.
Case in point: I went to the Seattle Foundation/CityClub lunch on June 4 at the Hyatt at Olive 8, a great new downtown venue. The place was packed. I hadn’t pre-registered, so they sat me at the Press Table in the back. I thought great, I can chat with the reporters covering the event. Guess what? I was alone at the table.
A Seattle Times reporter finally showed up (late). She had to ask who was on the panel because she had missed the introductions. Then she left (early), during the Q&A session. Too bad, because I mentioned her when I asked in the Q&A how important press coverage was to achieving the Foundation’s goals. “The media are the lifeblood of democracy,” I said. It’s essential that they cover efforts like this so public consensus can be built. That’s what the media used to do in this town. Will they cover this project?
It certainly seemed newsworthy. The event was billed as “The Official Debut of The Seattle Foundation’s 2009 Healthy Community Report.” The report, a year in the making, bore the title, “A Healthy Community: Strategies for Effective Giving.” Gee, aren’t the media interested in having a healthy community? They ought to be: Their survival is at stake, too.
Bob Watt, a leading civic figure and incoming board chair of The Seattle Foundation, spoke of the “crisis of integrity” in today’s world. Molly Stearns, senior vice president of The Foundation, said the report provided guidance on “where to invest our philanthropic dollars.” It’s an impressive document: nearly 100 pages, with lots of great photographs, pie charts and bar graphs, regional trends, personal profiles, donors’ stories, “expert opinions” (by seven local notables), and two pages of “giving strategies — an index of recommended philanthropic approaches.”
The report focuses on seven “Elements of a Healthy Community,” which the Foundation deemed essential. They are, alphabetically: arts & culture, basic needs, economy, education, environment, health & wellness, and neighborhoods & communities. The report declares: “The Foundation supports each element individually and as part of an interconnected, holistic system. In that system, every living part strengthens the whole.”
Tayloe Washburn, chair of the Greater Seattle Chamber of Commerce, said it was a “very thoughtful, big picture, eloquent summary” of the region’s challenges, and a “strategic” recognition of our “interdependence.” Washburn noted that “We have to do things very differently” to survive and thrive in the current economy, including “really growing the number one job generator” in the region: aerospace. He also said that many elements in the report were “based on a strong economy” that was “built on the backs of companies, big and small.” He sounded a note of urgency, given the recession and Boeing jitters.
Trish Millines Dziko, executive director of the Technology Access Foundation, called the report “very large,” but added: “Let’s figure out how to put this plan into action.” She put great stress on the shortcomings in local public education, particularly in helping racial minorities. Others talked about "zones of positive energy" in the community, such as place-making and neighborhood community-building, as well as the spirit of compromise among interest groups that produced a resolution of the Viaduct controversy.
As I left the event, I wondered how much (if any) press coverage it would receive. I checked the next morning’s Seattle Times: nothing. I checked the blogs: nothing. The only things I could find were some brief “tweets” on Twitter — written by the CityClub’s program coordinator, Sarah Neppl.
Not so long ago, newspapers would have done a major Sunday piece on a report like this, with editorial comment and maybe a guest column or two. They would have invited public feedback. Stir the pot, get some discussion going, encourage debate. The weekly newspapers might have weighed in, plus local talk radio and maybe even a TV station or two.
Today, we have to settle for a few “tweets” and maybe a blog or two. Can we have an informed and engaged public this way? Can we have a civic dialogue that will lead to a healthy community? Can “the new news ecosystem” cover critical issues and vital efforts like this?
Answers: Maybe, maybe not, — and, if it can’t, we’re in deep trouble.










Comments:
Posted Mon, Jun 8, 5:40 p.m. inappropriate
Loneliness would seem to be the natural social predicament of a "journalist" who launched an organization (largely and mercifully ignored for a decade now) intended to be insinuated between the lines of the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. You lament the lack of press coverage of the event you attended. Then, given the nearly limitless space provided by the legitimate news organization Crosscut.com, you neglect to let the reader know much that you wanted journalists to tell you about the event at which you were so lonely. For the record, "maybe, maybe not" is a redundancy. When you use it twice, it's a redundancy, it's a redundancy.
Posted Mon, Jun 8, 6:46 p.m. inappropriate
Just for the record, MikeH, the Washington News Council has hardly been "ignored" since we began in 1998. Ask Secretary of State Sam Reed, King County Sheriff Sue Rahr, ElderHealth Northwest, the Washington State Beef Commission and Dairy Products Commission, and many others who have come to us with legitimate complaints about inaccurate, unfair and damaging news stories. Do we have a high profile? No. But that's fine. We provide an invaluable service to those who need help when they have nowhere else to turn in the face of irresponsible and intransigent media. We're all strong defenders of the First Amendment and would oppose any government regulation or control of the news media. That's why we're a 501c3 nonprofit that takes no public funds. That's why the council is made up of volunteers -- both media members and public members -- who care deeply about having high-quality news media in this state. Visit www.wanewscouncil.org to learn more. As for the "maybe, maybe not...redundancy," look again: Three questions, three answers. Not a redundancy at all, my friend.
Posted Mon, Jun 8, 7:28 p.m. inappropriate
The founders didn't indicate that media had to be something other than intransigent and irresponsible. The free-press guarantee exists so that no higher arbiter than journalists themselves can decide what gets published and circulated. Self-appointed arbiters such as your organization aren't described in the First Amendment. The amendment means we can, if we decide, publish bald-faced lies if we want (and many do). The balance is that reputable news organizations would do their best to try to find and publish the truth, elusive as it can be. Unscrupulous journalists could publish lies but could also be sued successfully in civil (not criminal) court and, as a consequence, would be forced out of business (as has happened in the British press the past few years). By the way, for what it's worth, I intended to have my full name and identity used in my earlier post. It's Mike Henderson, Crosscut.com. My humble suggestion to you, John: Spend more time and effort trying to support journalism rather than adjudicating what you hope others will agree to be failings of the profession.
Posted Mon, Jun 8, 10 p.m. inappropriate
Yikes! "The free-press guarantee exists so that no higher arbiter than journalists themselves can decide what gets published and circulated." No higher arbiter than journalists themselves? I think the founders were pretty clear that government wasn't to interfere, but the rest of us? Um, MikeH, I think they might not have a problem with that... In fact, as the only institution specifically protected in the Bill of Rights, I think they would have assumed - hoped? - citizens would care enough to weigh in. Nobody seems to be trying to make journalists publish or not publish anything, just pointing out that maybe you get it wrong once in a while. You seem a little touchy about us citizens and our opinions. Give us a chance, who knows, maybe we have something useful to say, even if we're not journalists.
Posted Tue, Jun 9, 5:46 a.m. inappropriate
Certainly journalism is transforming as the old media organizations give way to the new. Through this process there will be some bumps along the way and some newsworthy events will be missed. Could some of the blame go to the journalists themselves who have failed to properly pass the baton? How much of the current gap in hard news coverage in the traditional media is caused not by a lack of caring, but by the drive for higher profits?
As a side note, Mr. Washburn is incorrect: in the current economy, aerospace is not the number one job generator. Here’s how the Washington economy breaks down by sector as of December 2007:
Aerospace: 77,100 jobs
Health care: 96,000 jobs, $10 billion annually
Information Technology: 191,000 jobs, 3000 companies (Microsoft accounts for 35,510 of those jobs)
Government: 281,600 jobs — That’s not a typo. This sector is the largest employer at 15.3% of all jobs in the state.
http://www.seattle.gov/oir/datasheet/economy.htm
Posted Tue, Jun 9, 7:39 a.m. inappropriate
I'm not sure that there actually was any news in the Seattle Foundation report after reading this post. Sounds like a nice event aimed at a relatively highbrow crowd.
Job numbers do not indicate standing among job "generators." Aerospace is huge and the chamber crowds are worried about that one now, with good reason: Boeing leadership in Chicago doesn't communicate that it gets the value of the enormous talent pool that resides here. It ought to be communicating that its people are its most important asset.
We've learned we can't count on a Boeing driven by Chicago. Which is too bad for Boeing and too bad for us. Unless the company makes some more future commitments here soon, it will be more difficult to sustain the growth of talent here that is the foundation of the company's success.
Posted Tue, Jun 9, 10:15 a.m. inappropriate
The fundamental assumptions of this piece are wildly off-base, and represent a fundamental misunderstanding of what the news media does, and should be doing.
A report from some civic or nonprofit organization serves a purpose in its sphere. But its mere existence is not "news."
As a "news" event, things like this are entirely concocted -- often as a way to hold a fundraiser or generate free media coverage, or both. The news media's role is not to simply show up to some do-gooder group's concocted event and regurgitate its conclusions.
This rule holds particularly true if the report retreads old ground (Boeing is important), is aimed a very niche crowd (Rich philanthropists), or generates phrases such as "strategic recognition of our interdependence" and "zones of positive energy."
This is NOT something that would have, in the past, generated major Sunday A1 play in the dailies. Any editor worth their salt wouldn't assign resources in such a way, either now in the fat years.
Posted Tue, Jun 9, 11:44 a.m. inappropriate
Well, the larger point here is: Are there enough journalists left to cover ANY event, regardless of whether it is defined as "news" in some subjective way. The answer: Of course not. The PI gone, the Times much trimmed, the TV stations focusing on whatever "bleeds." Good grief, the entire Eastside -- from south of Renton to north of Bothell - has essentially NO dedicated news coverage. Hundreds of thousands of people, some of the greatest wealth in the state, massive jobs creation. And...nothing.
Blogs and other "new" media aren't going to fill this gap. What, I'm supposed to troll a bunch of unfiltered blog posts each morning, written by people with time on their hands and axes to grind? No way. What everyone seems to have forgotten is that newspapers delivered a reasoanbly (not perfectly) complete record of the previous days events, in one place, with reasonably good (again, not perfect) standards of accuracy and objectivity. I do not see how Crosscut, blogs, Slate, HuffPost, etc., wille ever replace that.
Posted Tue, Jun 9, 1:31 p.m. inappropriate
Absolutely ptdoug, the loss of professional journalists is a real and significant problem. And you've shown some actual examples of why it is a problem.
Mr. Hamer, however, did not. In times like these, with much-reduced newsroom staffs, it is essential that news media not only ignore, but AGGRESSIVELY ignore "stories" like some civic group's self-published navel-gazing report.
What they should be reporting on is the economic meltdown, the effects of job loss and no health care, the waste of government money and the lack of political will during a major economic crisis. You know, real life -- not thought experiments and fundraising vehicles.
Posted Tue, Jun 9, 2:32 p.m. inappropriate
this has been a truly excellent discussion by people who really understand the issues. My two cents is that the mass media of the future will be highly partisan and very rough-and-tumble, with liberal and conservative organs demonizing their opposites and providing their target audience exactly what it wants to hear. This ``news'' will be supplemented with sex, violence and sports. It will all look a lot like the yellow journalism at the turn of the last century. It's what the people want.
Posted Wed, Jun 10, 11:18 a.m. inappropriate
This HAS been a good discussion, as Nick Geranios notes. Provoking good discussion about the news media has been part of the Washington News Council's mission for 11 years now. And we've inspired LOTS of it. Been fun! Here are my responses to some of the points made so far in this comments thread:
1. Mike Henderson is right that the First Amendment gives the press free rein to publish whatever it wants, including "bald-faced lies." He's right that reputable journalists (usually) try to get it right -- but they too often fail. Truth IS elusive. And yes, the Founders made no mention of "self-appointed arbiters" such as news councils. But who "appointed" journalists anyway? Answer: No one. They appointed themselves. (What's more, We're All Journalists Now, as the title of an excellent book by Scott Gant puts it.) True, media organizations can be sued for libel or defamation, but how many libel suits are won? Not many. The press has been granted extraordinary protections through a long series of court decisions. And if you're a "public figure" (like Sam Reed and Sue Rahr), you have virtually NO chance of winning a libel suit. That's where the Washington News Council comes in. We're a kind of "outside ombudsman" -- with no legal power or formal authority -- that considers complaints about inaccurate or unfair news stories and renders a kind of public verdict. What's wrong with that? Seems to me that we're clearly "supporting journalism," as you suggest, by encouraging high standards of ethics and professionalism. Our Council members (half of them journalists or former journalists) care deeply about the profession. What exactly is wrong with having a group of citizens help endorse good journalism? Maybe we can hash this out over a beer soon....
2. Isadora is spot-on. We're not trying to tell anyone what to publish or not publish. Journalists ARE "a little touchy." And citizens DO have something useful to say -- in fact, it's often more useful than what journalists say.
3. PebbleCreek is absolutely right that journalism is "transforming." That putting it mildly. Bumps? Huge. Blame? Correct. Gap? True. Drive? Partly. But it's the Internet "Webolution" as we called it in a WNC panel last year, that is mainly responsible for the transformation.
4. Jan -- Please get a copy of the Seattle Foundation report, read it, and see if you think it's "news" or not.
5. Olyroll -- I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of the Seattle Foundation, who they are and what they do. Get a copy of the report. Read it. Then see if you think it deserved some coverage. Even David Brewster, who moderated the panel, called it a "groundbreaking" report. Granted, it may not have merited Sunday A1 news coverage, but there was a time when the editorial pages would have given it serious attention, maybe a Sunday Issues spread, or at least a guest column. That's all I was suggesting. The Foundation is much more than a "do-gooder" group and its report, a year in the making, was hardly "concocted" for this event. As for your second post, if you think the news media should "AGGRESSIVELY" ignore serious efforts by concerned citizens to improve our community....well, maybe that's what's wrong with much of journalism. And if you read the report, you will see that it DOES address the economic meltdown, job losses, health care, etc. Seems to me you're aggressively and deliberately ignoring the facts. Is that what good journalists should do?
6. PTDoug is absolutely right that there are fewer professional journalists around these days. But some of them were part of the problem over the years, more focused on winning Pulitzers than truly serving the community. The rise of "citizen journalism" is no panacea, but much of it is innovative, creative and exciting. The industry is in transition (welcome to the club) and it's unclear how it will shake out. But I'm optimistic. For example, a savvy local group is focusing on "Journalism That Matters" in "the new news ecosystem." Stay tuned.
Posted Wed, Jun 10, 1:39 p.m. inappropriate
John, I have to refute your refutation a little bit. You certainly were NOT suggesting merely that a newspaper give this report "at least a guest column."
First, you basically accused the Seattle Times staffer who showed late and left early of shoddy work (albeit without naming her). The implication there was clear -- someone should have stuck around and reported on the report, and by not doing so, was abandoning their post.
Then you said it was not so long ago that a daily would have uncorked a "major Sunday piece on a report like this, with editorial comment and maybe a guest column or two."
If you meant *only* in the Op/Ed pages, maybe I could give you that. But you'd have to rewind the clock a lot more than "not so long ago" to get to that much disposable editorial hole.
Clearly the report was not concocted. But the "event," in terms of selling it as news, comes off that way. From your account, nothing actually occurred -- a group of concerned folks identified things they think are important to do in philanthropy.
That's a good thing. But it's not a watershed event by any stretch. Nonprofit groups issue reports constantly. They also hype the reports' release as news events. Doesn't make it so.
And, not a dig at Brewster in particular, but show me a moderator brought in to run a discussion on some topic who wouldn't tell the organizers that their effort was "groundbreaking."
As for ignoring facts, I'll add a very salient one you left out:
The Seattle Foundation has given money to the Washington News Council, and administered its scholarship program.
Posted Wed, Jun 10, 2:42 p.m. inappropriate
I think the problem with this article is that it seems to confuse “PR” with “NEWS.” The event obviously was a mutual admiration event for a group, some with similar experiences and goals. No problem with that as long as it is interpreted that way by those practicing journalism. For example, some of the quotes by Tayloe Washburn can be legitimately challenged as spin by anyone who has closely followed the viaduct / tunnel process. Certainly journalists should fall into this category. I don’t think “zones of positive energy” or “giving strategies” had anything to do with why we selected this most expensive white elephant. And as a journalist you would know that the tunnel surprised a lot of people, was a down and dirty brass knuckle affair and would not have been the first choice of the voters. However, as a publicist you might very well use words like place-making and community building to describe the deal between House Speaker Frank Chopp, Gov. Christine Gregoire and special interests from downtown and Mercer Island that will ultimately cost voters at least an extra 4 billion dollars. The moderator of the event David Brewster, acting as a journalist, wrote a great article about this very issue on this site on March 26, 2009.
My point is that the article is really a press release about a lot of press releases. It is actually the absence of journalism. When used to scold other journalists it becomes a kind of artificial margarine that at best is annoying and at worst is deceptive.
Posted Wed, Jun 10, 4:52 p.m. inappropriate
I've read this story twice and looked at the report and I can't for the life of me figure what we would have said about it in the newspaper. We don't cover foundation reports and city club events as breaking news and we haven't for the time I've been in journalism (since 1990.) I guess I could see someone doing an Op-Ed or something, but even then, what would they say? There's a "crisis of integrity" in today's world? We strategically recognize our interdependence? We have zones of positive energy? I recall this language from my days as a reporter in Washington, D.C. -- it's foundation think tank gibberish. These stories at Crosscut by people out of journalism about how much better journalism used to be (when they were in it) could be based on something stronger than this. Couldn't they?
Posted Wed, Jun 10, 5:39 p.m. inappropriate
Danny -- Nice to have a real working journalist weigh in on this. You got into in 1990 -- the year I got out. But when I was editing The Times' Sunday Issues section, I know we would have done something on this report and the goals behind it. I'll bet Dick Larsen would have written a Sunday piece, and Herb Robinson would have weighed in with an editorial. We might have invited a guest column from the Seattle Foundation president. I wasn't suggesting this report/event be covered as "breaking news" -- although a brief news story might have been worthwhile, sending readers to the Foundation website or something. Don't you think a lot of citizens in this region would be interested in the "Seven Elements of a Healthy Community" and suggestions on how they can help? You're a terrific columnist: Why don't you take this on as a personal challenge to write a creative and readable column? Even if you want to p--- on it as "foundation think tank gibberish," you could get some good discussion going. Civic engagement? Public involvement? Isn't that part of the media's job? Or are journalists all just too cynical, negative and don't want to be seen as "boosters" for any cause, no matter how worthy? If you ask me, that's one reason why so many people dislike the media these days. As head of the Washington News Council for nearly a dozen years, I constantly hear criticism of journalists and the news media. People might not tell it to you directly, but they tell it to me and my board members. We're just trying to find ways to help by providing "a forum where citizens and journalists can engage each other in discussing standards of media ethics and performance" -- part of our mission statement since 1998. Journalists may not like this much, but the public clearly does. But I could be wrong about all this. Let's continue the discussion!
Posted Wed, Jun 10, 10:53 p.m. inappropriate
Great discussion. However, it appears we're missing a macro-element to all of this. Establishment organizations are losing influence in this era of transparency, community and conversation. By establishment I mean the chambers of commerce, newspapers (Times), tv stations, downtown organizations (DSA), government, political parties, and many more. Basically moneyed interests, whose stealth public relations efforts no longer resonate.
For all the great things these groups may do, people don't trust the entrenched any more. These entities have damaged their reputation over the last few years in large part by trumpeting themselves as the Seattle cognoscenti. It's become an echo chamber, one the regular folks don't feel privy enough to enter... nor want to.
Press releases were lame enough even before there was no press to help "sell the message". Thanks to the internet, citizens can more easily discern between marketing and sincerity. The overall points may be meritorious, but we're in one of the most educated cities in the world and we cut through (and ignore) the patronizing phrasing.
Citizens have their same worries about work and schools and housing and parking and noise and transportation and home values and more. At the same time trust in existing entities is on the wane. This conflict needs to be resolved. Everybody wants to make our beloved city better. That will become possible by recognizing this dichotomy... and by actually listening rather than marketing.
Posted Thu, Jun 11, 8:40 a.m. inappropriate
This comment thread is starting to hit the eye of the needle. Thanks, Honus, for your insightful and accurate observations. Personally, I believe the news media have been partly responsible for the decline of trust in major institutions and organizations. And now, ironically -- or maybe as a result -- people don't trust them much either. At least since the Watergate era of Woodward & Bernstein (when I was a young reporter in Washington, D.C.), many journalists have thought their main mission in life was to ferret out evil, expose corruption and write splashy, sensational "scandal" stories (which, not coincidentally, they could enter in countless journalism-prize contests). In my question at the Seattle Foundation lunch, I quoted one of their board members who said he thought the local press was obsessed with "tearing down icons." Granted, there is evil to be exposed -- but not all "establishment organizations" or even the "Seattle cognoscenti" (whoever that is these days) can be simply dismissed as entrenched, moneyed and/or patronizing. Some of them actually care about the community. Just look at the level of philanthropic giving in this region; it's among the highest anywhere. But I think you're right that everybody (well, almost) wants to make this city/region/state better. But how? The "Healthy Community" report is a thoughtful, constructive approach that merits consideration.
Speaking of which, "olyroll" in an earlier comment above, made what he called "a salient point" -- i.e., that the Seattle Foundation has given grants to the Washington News Council. Correct: two grants in 11 years (and this year they told us not to apply, because needs were too great elsewhere). The WNC has also received grants from the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, Medina Foundation, Archibald Foundation, Lucky Seven Foundation, Horvitz Foundation, Apex Foundation, Ethics & Excellence in Journalism Foundation, John S. and James L. Knight Foundation, and a few others -- as well as donations from hundreds of individuals who believe in what we're doing. So what's your point? Are you suggesting that we're controlled by our donors? Any evidence of that? If so, let's see it. As for our Dick Larsen and Herb Robinson Scholarship Fund being "administered" by the Seattle Foundation, that was only true for the first few years since we established the program in 1999. We did that so the funds would be separate from our operating budget and could earn a little interest. But the Foundation charged us a substantial fee for that service, so we put the funds in our own account, and keep them separate from operating expenses. BTW, we just named the two winners of our Scholarships ($2,000 each). These are
Posted Thu, Jun 11, 9:05 a.m. inappropriate
CONTINUED: ...the 19th and 20th scholarships we have given over the past decade, to honor the memories of Dick and Herb, two of the finest journalists this state has ever known. Too bad there aren't more like them around today.
ALSO: I think I know who you are, "olyroll," but are you willing to go public with your name and position? If not, why not? Aren't transparency, accountability and openness keys to credibility? That's what journalists demand of everyone else. (See my piece on "The TAO of Journalism" on the WNC blog page.) Are you a working journalist? You sound like one -- i.e., feisty, contrarian, irreverent, and always wanting to have the last word, but also touchy and insecure deep down. I know; I've been there. As for your other point, I certainly didn't accuse The Times reporter of "shoddy work." I'm sure she had other stories to cover and deadlines to meet. Maybe her editors agreed that this was a "concocted" event where "nothing actually occurred." But that was my point: It wasn't, and deserved at least some coverage or commentary -- especially now that, as everyone (well, almost) agrees that "news is no longer a lecture, but a conversation." This is a good one. Let's keep it going.
Posted Thu, Jun 11, 11:06 a.m. inappropriate
It has nothing to do with reporters being "too cynical, negative" or not wanting "to be seen as "boosters" for any cause, no matter how worthy?" What we're after are good stories. If we can find them, these would be stories hopefully about people and passion and triumph and tragedy -- usually not civic foundation reports. I think this whole discussion is setting up a false construct -- i.e. that we've somehow changed or are failing to do our jobs because we didn't write an immediate story about a foundation report. I probably would have done what our reporter did -- go to the event and use it as background to either find other stories or to inform other reporting. Then write about it later combined with other news, as she did here:
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/thebusinessofgiving/2009325044_us_charitable_giving_declines.html
Posted Thu, Jun 11, 2:21 p.m. inappropriate
This is a great thread...but I think the root of the issue lies in the fact that our community is so much bigger than it was 10, 15, 20 years ago and our news coverage resources are so much thinner. Mix in an active blogosphere, and what remains "newsworthy" in Seattle is now very different. Navel gazing no longer makes the cut. The sad part is that it has left most of our news organizations chasing ambulances...but that's fodder for another oped!!
Posted Thu, Jun 11, 2:32 p.m. inappropriate
Point well taken, Danny. We all like to read good stories. Keep them coming. Glad Kristi Heim worked the Seattle Foundation report into her piece yesterday -- which was a story about a foundation report done in Glenview, Illinois! Granted, it was full of good information and statistics about national philanthropic giving. But I still think the Seattle Foundation effort deserves more attention. Maybe an in-depth interview with Norm Rice on how he plans to follow through on their roadmap? An editorial or column exploring the report's practical feasibility? Or more stories about the people/passion/triumph/tragedy of the many Seattle-area nonprofits listed in the report? But then, I'm not an editor anymore (thankfully). You guys have a tough job -- and an important one. Please know that there are lots of us out here who care deeply about the quality and quantity of local news, and we're just looking for ways to help. Cheers!