Gun crack down
Mayor Greg Nickels is moving ahead with his proposed ban of guns from parks facilities, including playgrounds, pools, community- and nature centers. The ban was inspired in part by an incident last year at Folklife.
The re-emergence of gang problems has also contributed to public concern, as have recent shootings involving young teens, including the gunning down of 18-year-old Aaron Sullivan in Leschi and a Ballard convenience store clerk Manish Melwani last summer, both crimes allegedly committed by teenage suspects now charged with murder.
State Attorney General Rob McKenna says Nickels' ban is not legal, and that any such ban would have to be instituted by state law. As I outlined last year, I have a problem with the Nickels ban for other reasons. Whether Nickels can impose a gun ban on city property by fiat is doubtful, and in any case it has no teeth: Violators cannot be arrested, merely scolded or escorted from parks with a warning.
Toothlessness of the law is a problem. One thing area gun critics and Second Amendment advocates can agree on is the need for stiffer enforcement and penalties for juveniles with guns. When I talked with McKenna earlier this year, he cited the need for taking juvenile gun possession seriously and called for enforcing existing laws. That was echoed in stark detail recently by King County prosecutor Dan Satterberg who, in a Seattle Times Op/Ed, laid out the problem:
Young men, armed with guns, roaming the streets of Seattle ought to raise serious concern in the eyes of the law. Instead, unlawful gun possession in Juvenile Court is one of the least-serious crimes on the books.
The sentencing law for juveniles convicted of illegal gun possession is as follows:
First conviction, zero to 30 days detention, zero to 12 months probation;
Second conviction, same as the first, zero to 30 days detention, zero to 12 months probation;
Third conviction, the same;
Fourth conviction — If the first three trips through the court system didn't teach the offender a lesson, well, they still only face 0 to 30 days in detention, zero to 12 months probation.
What you have read is not a typo. Only upon the fifth felony conviction will the sentence require that the juvenile spend some time (15 to 36 weeks) out of the community and in a state Juvenile Rehabilitation Administration (JRA) facility, like Echo Glen near North Bend.
That's right, you get five strikes before getting more than a slap on the wrist.
A very mixed message is being sent to young men: what you're doing is illegal and dangerous, but we can't bother to punish you, so carry on. Or as Satterberg writes:
We have failed our youth with the current sentencing model, which does so very little to deter or teach a kid about the danger of the decision to carry a gun. We cannot wait until a kid has five felony convictions for carrying a handgun before we act to remove them from the community. That is a failed law that endangers both the kid and the community.
Instead of applauding symbolism of dubious legality and questionable benefit, we ought to be focusing on enforcing existing laws to deal with teen (or younger) offenders, to forestall bad behavior and deal with known problems earlier rather than later.








Comments:
Posted Tue, Sep 29, 8:18 a.m. inappropriate
This is the most idiodic thing I have ever heard of. A very wise rabbi once said "punish severely the first offense and the second is much less likely to happen." the Bible says "spare the rod and spoil the child". people are given a free pass to break gun laws or gun laws are ineffective against criminals while the honest and law abiding obey the law. this is inviting disaster. It is a vastly proven fact that when the law abiding are deprived of self defense the crime rate skyrockets. Google Gun Facts. Read and learn. Especially read, on the second page, Gun Facts 5.0 which is a comprehensive study on the facts of the gun issue. These facts are well documented and checkable by anyone who cares to. Things like "saturday night specials, cop killer bullets and assult weapons do not exist and are but manufactured terms. your child is 7 times more likely to drown in a swimming pool than to be shot. Millions of crimes are preventd each year by the use of a gun and without a shot being fired. more than twice as many as are committed with a gun. Also check out "On Sheep, Wolves and Sheepdogs by Dave Grossman". this is a very interesting and true anology of the human condition. Love from a sheepdog
Posted Tue, Sep 29, 9:33 a.m. inappropriate
Most gun laws do nothing but harass law-abiding citizens. People who commit violent crimes, or crimes against property, or crimes involving weapons, should have the proverbial book thrown at them no matter what their age. It's insane that a kid who commits a violent crime gets a month or less of probation, while a 20-year-old who drinks a beer goes to jail.
Posted Tue, Sep 29, 9:49 a.m. inappropriate
I. Simply. Don't. Get it. When will those on the left learn? For any anti crime law to work, one must realize that criminals would have to abide by those laws. Of course, by design, criminals break laws. Including anti gun laws. Disarming law abiding citizens does nothing but create a safe haven for criminals. Guns in the hands of law abiding citizens allows people to defend themselves and their loved ones from being the victims of violent crime. It is the only way a petite woman can equal and better the power of a 6 foot would be rapist. Think the police will save you? Sorry, when something happens in 10 seconds, and it takes the cops 10 minutes to arrive, they could be arriving with a Coroner to inspect your remains. Add to that the police have NO constitutional obligation to protect citizens. I know most police are good and truly want to protect us, but the fact remains you can't tell a violent criminal to hold on while the cops arrive. Heck, last year a woman in LA was victimized when 2 criminals broke into her place and shot her......while she was on the phone with 911. Had she had a gun and proper training, she would still be alive today. Sorry Seattle, you just joined the ranks of one of the most violent cities in America: Chicago. Another anti gun city who simply doesn't get it. Maybe by this time next year Seattle will be taking the prize?
Posted Tue, Sep 29, 10:50 a.m. inappropriate
First, yes, the juvenile system is a joke. They keep saying, "If you do this one more time....." and they say it over and over until the child has no respect or fear for the law. And just like a child will do, they push the seemingly non-existent boundaries further and further.
Second, Yes, gun control sentences definitely need to be stiffer - for children and adults - whether they have an official record or not. My son was killed by a "boy" (just turned 18) with a gun, who as he put it, "was acting 'big' with a gun and accidentally killed my son." He had no previous official record - even though his behavior (playing "big" with guns) had been reported many times - they just hadn't caught him with a firearm. The reports weren't even taken into account when he was charged or sentenced. They was only charged him with manslaughter - even after they learned the gun was stolen and they found other stolen military-type guns and weed in his bedroom. The prosecutor raised the charge to Murder 2, and the boy plea-bargained to manslaughter one with fire-arm enhancement. Thank God for the firearm enhancement law that kept him in prison for five more years or he would have gone free after six years - even though he murdered (yes murdered) my son. I will never forget the judge saying, "it was a tragic situation" - yes, it was - but the real tragedy was that he wasn't charged with a stolen weapon or for the drugs - nor did he serve the time he should have. He will be out of prison next year - and the reports I've received is that he will continue "playing big" - only now he has a little prison time to make him tougher - not smarter. My son, on the other hand, will not be coming home to me or my grandson ever...
Posted Tue, Sep 29, 11:02 a.m. inappropriate
As a side note, do not use my story as a reason for gun control. I am totally in favor of responsible adults' right to own a gun. I was raised in the country with guns -- and learned I still needed them when I moved to the city. I am glad I was able to buy a 12-Gage semi-automatic rifle when I was being stalked by a man who broke into my home several years ago -- most people will stop stalking when they are faced with a gun like that! And last week I wished I had had a gun with me, when by nothing short of God's grace and protection, we were able to get away from a charging bear.
Posted Tue, Sep 29, 11:34 a.m. inappropriate
It's not clear from your piece but I am assuming that it is now legal to carry an unconcealed pistol in a public park (with a permit, of course). I do not think that should be legal. Even if the penalties are symbolic it disturbs me that any single person or groups of persons can carry in public. I think it is intimidating and uncivil and IMO the move by the city is justified.