Seattle Mayor Mike McGinn has a new foe in the kind of street basketball he likes to play: Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer. Note to the mayor: Ballmer is a lot taller than you are.
In an astonishingly cheeky letter to Ballmer, McGinn granted no merit to Microsoft's position of wanting to adopt the current consensus plan for expanding 520; told Ballmer to "share my response with your employees"; and invited Ballmer to "discuss this important project in a town hall with you and fellow Microsoft employees on your campus in Redmond."
Oh, one more thing. "Bill Gates demonstrated tremendous leadership in addressing climate change during his speech at the recent TED Conference." Implication: Ballmer doesn't get it.
The letter puts McGinn firmly in the camp supporting the Coalition for a Sustainable 520, favoring light rail on the bridge and reserving the two new lanes for light rail and buses only, no car pools. As for the plan Microsoft visibly is pushing (four lanes of general traffic and two lanes for buses and HOVs), McGinn was blunt: That plan "will delay replacement given its divisiveness, likelihood for a lawsuit, and failure to address the reality of climate change." Nice touch that, egging on the lawsuit.
This is deeply weird. Goading a huge employer and political force like Microsoft, in public, with a letter addressed to "Steve," is just the kind of toying with economic engines that is bound to make voters very nervous, not to mention the business community. Anybody down there in the mayor's office remember how Ballmer is the hope for bringing real basketball (the NBA variety, not the McGinn type) back to the region? Or how many people in Seattle work at Microsoft? And how Ballmer has, er, a temper?
Here's the full letter, and the message McGinn wanted delivered to Microsoft employees:
Steve Ballmer
CEO Microsoft Corporation
Steve,
The current 520 bridge is unsafe and its congestion is a serious regional problem. I believe the thousands of Microsoft employees who spend far too much time away from their families stalled on that bridge deserve better.
The proposed A+ 520 bridge replacement plan will delay replacement given its divisiveness, likelihood for a lawsuit, and failure to address the reality of climate change.
The Coalition for a Sustainable 520, House Speaker Frank Chopp (D-43), Senator Ed Murray (D-43), Representative Jamie Pedersen (D-43), Seattle Councilmembers Nick Licata and Mike O'Brien, the Sierra Club, the Cascade Bicycle Club and I support a 520 bridge replacement that maintains its current auto-capacity and features light rail from the start. We are encouraged by a recent poll showing that 69 percent of those living in affected Seattle neighborhoods and 71 percent of those living in affected Eastside neighborhoods support light rail across the 520 bridge.
Bill Gates demonstrated tremendous leadership in addressing climate change during his speech at the recent TED Conference:
"Until we get near to zero [carbon emissions] the temperature will continue to rise. That's a big challenge. It's very different from saying we're a 12-foot high truck trying to get under a 10-foot bridge and we can sort of just squeeze under. This is something that has to get to zero…
We have to go from rapidly rising, to falling and falling all the way to zero."
I appreciate your efforts to inform Microsoft employees of this issue and encouraging them to participate in the discussion over how to build the best replacement of the 520 bridge. In that spirit, I would ask that you share my response below with your employees as well. I would also welcome the opportunity to discuss this important project in a town hall with you and fellow Microsoft employees on your campus in Redmond.
Sincerely,
Mayor Mike McGinn
Dear Microsoft Team Members:
We support a regional transportation option that better serves employees of Microsoft and other commuters, who contribute so much to our city and region. Our concerns relating to the SR 520 project have to do with creating a project that will support a more socially just, environmentally sound solution that addresses neighborhood concerns. This is why we do not support the "A+" option for the Montlake interchange.
Social Justice concerns: The current preferred option (A+) does not adequately support people of lower income. With this option, if you have enough money for a car, to pay the toll to cross the bridge, and to pay for parking when you're done with this plan, then this is the plan for you. We support mass transit as part of this project (above and beyond the current bus service), in the form of light rail and bus rapid transit.
Environmental concerns: Though we currently have a state law that requires us to consider VMT (vehicle miles traveled) and our goal is to reduce vehicle miles traveled, this project will increase the number of vehicle miles traveled. Yesterday (2/22/2010) the City Council announced its legislative priorities for 2010. Climate neutrality (or, becoming a "carbon neutral city" with zero greenhouse gas emissions) was a major announcement. However, if we continue to design highway megaprojects that increase automobile capacity and do not promote mass transit, this goal will simply not be reached.
Neighborhood concerns: Protecting the Arboretum, which is an impressive regional resource, is of great importance. Traffic that may overwhelm the neighborhoods is also a negative effect of option A+, as it includes off-ramps that will increase traffic. Additionally, the A+ option does not allow for efficient connections to transit.
Thanks again for your comments.
Sincerely,
Mayor Mike McGinn
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Posted Thu, Feb 25, 6:10 a.m. Inappropriate
It addition to being "deeply weird." The letter appears to be "deeply stupid" if the Mayor hopes to help his cause with Olympia powers.
His message to Microsoft team-members is full of the of fibs and spin that have come to exemplify communication from this Mayor.
Posted Thu, Feb 25, 6:47 a.m. Inappropriate
what an idiot.
Posted Thu, Feb 25, 8:21 a.m. Inappropriate
Come on, Ballmer advertised[full page in Seattle Times]for SR520 A+ option: 30-foot-tall bridge all the way across Lake Washington; a second Montlake drawbridge to handle extra traffic; six lanes, but none reserved exclusively for transit, no light-rail tracks; bad pedistrian connection to University light-rail station and a ramp to/through the Arboretum.
A+ is a bad design,enviromentally, economically, etc & etc, but according to Ballmer, build it anyway??!!
Stakeholders and Seattle citizens are signing up for the Sustainable SR520 Option. Ballmer, not McGinn, fuels the legal suit.
Seattle finally has a Mayor, along with State and Local Legislators speaking up for what is best for our future.
The deeply wierd', 'deeply stupid' 'idiot' isn't McGinn.
Posted Thu, Feb 25, 8:55 a.m. Inappropriate
Over the next few months, I hope the Mayor has an opportunity to talk to the leaders of the the other agencies in our region who deal with transportation and transit, such as Sound Transit (Snohomish County Exec Aaron Reardon is chair) and King County Metro (Down Constantine, county exec), in addition to the leadership of the University of Washington (Mark Emmert, university president), and to the tribes and federal agencies involved in this project. And then there's PSRC, the regional planning agency, that ostensibly keeps it all somewhat coordinated (or at least, planned for). This story has been cast as a bit of a David-vs-Goliath story in the press, with Mayor McGinn playing the part of the heroic young king and WSDOT as the big, ugly giant. Mayor McGinn should spend some more time with his colleagues in the region, so as to understand the incredible complexity and need for coordination of the systems he so gallantly declares subject to immediate revision.
Posted Thu, Feb 25, 8:55 a.m. Inappropriate
I say good for McGinn!
Microsoft doesn't own the world, and it doesn't own the Puget Sound area, although they'd like to believe they do. What's good for MS isn't necessarily good for the rest of us, and I applaud McGinn for saying so.
Microsoft wants to maintain this image of a hip, aware, young company, but in a lot of cases, it just isn't true. I've been there, for few years actually, and it's not a nice place. It's a very selfish place. To ignore the possibilities of building in sustainability, especially that of including light rail in the 520 design, in favor of option A+ which is only concerned with getting those thousands of brand new BMWs to work faster, is just another reflection of the piggishness that got us all in this environmental mess in the first place.
Posted Thu, Feb 25, 9:30 a.m. Inappropriate
I was cautiously optimistic of his term, but this is like watching a train wreck. McGinn is self-destructing as we speak. Who is advising this guy???
Posted Thu, Feb 25, 9:38 a.m. Inappropriate
I’d like to see McGinn and Ballmer up on that stage. Ballmer would do his manic jumping around and waving his arms shtick that fires up his throngs of twenty-something employees (“Build it – Just build it!!”), and McGinn would lay out his arguments.
It isn’t McGinn who is dissing Mr. Action-on-the-plan-at-hand Ballmer at this point. Over the past several weeks we’ve seen an ever-increasing parade of state and local officials quietly taking substantive actions to change some relatively long-standing policies regarding the A+ alternative.
It started publicly with Chopp, Pedersen, Murray and McGinn taking the highly unusual step of speaking out against the WSDOT preferred alternative. One thing they want is planning for ST light rail NOW as part of the new span.
Last week the Seattle City Council hired an engineering firm – the one with a big engineering contract on Sound Transit’s tunneling efforts at Husky Stadium – to develop plans for possibly integrating light rail into the SR 520 rebuild work:
http://blog.seattlepi.com/transportation/archives/195596.asp
That flies in the face of the A+ alternative, and by extension it is a slap in Ballmer’s face.
Today we learned the House Transportation Committee amended Senate Bill 6392 in ways allowing local governments including Seattle and Sound Transit “to push for changes in the bridge design”:
http://www.seattlepi.com/transportation/415856_520bridge25.html
Again - in your face, Steve.
Why so much dissing of the plan Ballmer is so excited about? One explanation is there are engineering and/or Federal government “preemption”-type problems with running light rail over the I-90 corridor. Some of those are outlined in the comments here:
http://crosscut.com/blog/crosscut/19350/ .
At this point there’s a whole lot more political weight being thrown up against the A+ alternative, and in favor of delaying the SR 520 project overall, than McGinn could hope to bring by himself.
Posted Thu, Feb 25, 9:45 a.m. Inappropriate
If Mayor McGinn wants to zero out the City’s carbon emissions, he needs a new environmental advisor, preferably someone not from the Sierra Club. And he should watch the complete video of Gates’ TED presentation, and do this before sitting down with Ballmer.
Light rail isn’t a good answer to climate change. Building it involves huge expenditures of carbon energy. Visualize the tens of thousands of dump truck loads of earth that have to be carted away to create tunnels under Capitol Hill and the University District. Any energy saving payback is long in the future. Then there is the reality that trains need to run at all hours, even when they carry few passengers. Energy efficiency goes down. And the energy efficiency of the future private passenger fleet should compare favorably with rail transit as much more fuel efficient vehicles take over the market.
Gates in his TED speech makes the case for getting to zero carbon energy by radically changing energy at the source. Like the nuclear power reactor he has invested in that would burn uranium completely and existing stockpiles of nuclear waste as well. Given world population growth and the broadening demand for the life style we enjoy, he doesn’t believe that improved energy efficiency alone will cut it. Some environmental organizations have come around to understand that solving the climate change problem involves rethinking all energy sources including nuclear. But nuclear energy is not currently on the Sierra Club’s climate change agenda.
Posted Thu, Feb 25, 9:55 a.m. Inappropriate
Here's Steve Ballmer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvsboPUjrGc
Quite the motivator for his employees, and third-party software developers.
But reasoned and in-the-know when it comes to transportation infrastructure realities? Not so much . . .
Posted Thu, Feb 25, 10:44 a.m. Inappropriate
I admire much of the ideas behind McGinn, like more rail to the Eastside, reduced greenhouse emissions, etc. After all, I'm a car-less ecofreak.
However, the guy is clueless or a liar regarding issues like which approach will get the bridge done sooner.
Maybe he'd have made a better council member while he learned how things work. Unfortunately we're paying for his on the job trial and error.
Posted Thu, Feb 25, 11:22 a.m. Inappropriate
Yea Mike Yea Mike Yea Mike!!
Mr Brewster et al do not understand how light rail changes the paradigm of urban/suburban development. Mr Ballmer wants to maintain Microsoft's shuttle commute system. Maintaining the notion of living far from work via such commute systems inevitably increases long-distance commuting beyond both highway and mass transit system capacity. Light rail however, influences development at station areas and along bus lines leading to rail stations which brings jobs, services and amenities closer to home and neighborhood.
A comfortable mass transit trip via light rail is roughly twice the distance via bus. With light rail, Microsoft shuttle system would only need reach the nearest light rail station.
In the Montlake exchange, the design of a mass transit transfer system is critically important. The A+ proposal fails in that regard. There are many design options to consider, but to disregard them is a typical dereliction of duty from WSDOT. WSDOT serves automobile-related monopolistic business interests, NOT the public. Mark these words, heads are on the chopping block at WSDOT, thank God.
Posted Thu, Feb 25, 12:50 p.m. Inappropriate
"Astonishingly cheeky"? "Deeply weird"? That's a good characterization of Microsoft's big push. The mayor's letter politely and appropriately differed with Microsoft management's endorsement of an out-of-scale, out-of-touch, ugly 1950s design that could ruin much of Seattle's scenic beauty and not just Montlake but six or seven residential communities. I read VP and General Council Brad Smith's company-wide e-mail and the comments on it from Microsoft employees. The comments were ten or more to one against A+ and in favor of light rail on the 520 bridge. That's real cheek. I hope Steve Ballmer takes the mayor up on his offer to speak to Microsoft employees. He might find out that they at least are living in this century.
Posted Thu, Feb 25, 1:02 p.m. Inappropriate
I'm a little disappointed that this story isn't about Steve Ballmer *really* getting poked in the eye by Mayor McGinn, rather than metaphorically poked poked in the eye. It would have been funnier.
Posted Thu, Feb 25, 1:07 p.m. Inappropriate
"sue in desmoines" writes: "Microsoft doesn't own the world, and it doesn't own the Puget Sound area, although they'd like to believe they do. What's good for MS isn't necessarily good for the rest of us..."
You know, you could substitute "Seattle" for "Microsoft" in the quote above and have an equally valid statement.
Posted Thu, Feb 25, 1:36 p.m. Inappropriate
Ouch. This guy is dangerous. We need a reboot at City Hall.
Posted Thu, Feb 25, 2:47 p.m. Inappropriate
Here's a clarification from City Councilmember Nick Licata on his position:
"I support reserving two lanes for transit. However, I think it would not be cost effective to require rail on 520 from the start; a dedicated bus rapid transit lane that ties into a countywide system with dedicated lanes will be able to transport more people with greater flexibility."
Newell Aldrich
Aide to Councilmember Nick Licata
Posted Thu, Feb 25, 2:55 p.m. Inappropriate
Van pools are much more energy-efficient than light rail. If McGinn really cars about the environment, he should support lanes on the new bridge that allow van pools and buses -- not light rail.
The current Central Link light rail is an utter waste of money and energy, carrying only 16,000 people per day, both directions combined. Why anyone would support wasting billions more money on a proven boondoggle like ST light rail is beyond me.
Supporting Sound Transit light rail is certainly not supporting the environment.
Taking on Microsoft is an interesting political stunt, as well. Brewster generally seems to have a pretty good take on what's going on around here, so if Brewster thinks McGinn's letter is "deeply weird", then I expect a lot of other people in our area feel the same way.
As someone wrote recently, McGinn does sort of remind one of former WA State Governor Dixie Lee Ray.
Posted Thu, Feb 25, 3:36 p.m. Inappropriate
As a Portage Bay/Montlake resident, Option A+ ignores years of cooperative work with WSDOT to build a 21st century highway. Option A+ just lays concrete to expedite a construction project at any environmental or health expense. As a result I join hundreds of SR 520 adjacent neighborhood households who are now unalterably opposed to the current proposals.
Option A disrespects Seattle’s Portage Bay urban environment which integrates fragile shorelines, eagles, herons, beavers, salmon and perch with dense residential Seattle neighborhoods. Should our urban environment be treated differently than old growth timber, rivers and streams, or endangered species?
I’m with Mike McGinn and Speaker Chopp who advocate ‘building SR 520 right’ this time. A four-lane construction solution is consistent with the national mass transit agenda, and an option that respects our urban environment hopefully with quiet pavement, park like lids and mitigation of construction noise, dust, vibration, congestion and the impact of heavy equipment and traffic redirection in our urban neighborhoods. .
WSDOT A+ recommendation fails us. Noise, disruption, and a design that adds to the blight that most communities hope to reduce or eliminate. I hope the City Council joins the Mayor and Speaker of the House on a responsible SR 520 solution.
Posted Thu, Feb 25, 3:45 p.m. Inappropriate
Lincoln -
You're not being consistent at all. You write: "Brewster generally seems to have a pretty good take on what's going on around here." Yet at the same time you point out how "light rail is an utter waste of money and energy . . .. Why anyone would support wasting billions more money on a proven boondoggle like ST light rail is beyond me."
You can't have it both ways. Brewster was a big supporter of the ST2 ballot measure two years ago, and it calls for throwing tens of billions of dollars in additional regressive tax revenue at the largely-worthless light rail system ST is in charge of. Brewster's reasoning in his column right before that vote: Walt Crowley would have wanted it(?).
How is that a "good take on what is going on"? Talk about "deeply weird" . . . .
Posted Thu, Feb 25, 4:04 p.m. Inappropriate
I'm talking about politically, genius.
Posted Thu, Feb 25, 8:17 p.m. Inappropriate
We choose at any point in time what the uses of the rights of way are and we always have the option to reassign the proportions for any given use. It may make sense to assign reasonable ratios to various uses. My street was a mud trail to Woodland Park at one point. A block away there was a trolley line running to points north, south, east and west...nice concept! We own the rights of way and we decide what we want there. If the government could please govern we could go back to work.
Posted Thu, Feb 25, 8:20 p.m. Inappropriate
I meant to add that a skytrain could happen whenever we choose for 1/2 the cost of light rail. It wouldn't even consume a lane.
Posted Thu, Feb 25, 9:28 p.m. Inappropriate
Vanpools are probably the most efficient and environmentally sound options around. When did they become the boogie man?
Trains must be fed at large stations. They are operated continuously regardless of ridership. They will displace buses and 3 person carpools from using 520 efficiently. Finally nobody knows where the light rail will come from or where it will go or where the financing will come from.
Posted Thu, Feb 25, 9:43 p.m. Inappropriate
How wonderfully, egg-quisitely ironic:
Microsoft is heavily involved with the media. The media consistently bombards the public with global warming stories. The public becomes extremely concerned about global warming. The public elects global warming candidates. The candidates assertively push for pollution-reducing measures, such as light rail across 520. Light rail conflicts with the interests of Microsoft.
Thankfully Easter is right around the corner, because the chickens are home to roost.
Posted Thu, Feb 25, 10:04 p.m. Inappropriate
The elected officials, rather, assertively push....
Posted Thu, Feb 25, 10:33 p.m. Inappropriate
2cents, while vanpools are fine, they aren't as good as you say. They require parking spaces all day. They're restrictive for anyone who can't predict timing each day, which means they're a niche option. And they do little to help concentrate land use. A system based on rail for trunk routes and buses for local and lower-ridership routes can be a good comprehensive system.
Posted Thu, Feb 25, 10:56 p.m. Inappropriate
mhays
Trains require huge real estate with their stations and in the majority of the suburban sites there will be needs for parking as large as the Tukwila station. Trains on 520 will displace trunk routes for buses. Sound Transit does not want a 520 transfer station so there is no way to reach the UW via train. Buses and carpools are the only alternate. Trains cannot be simply tossed in, their locations and destinations need to be well thought out.
Posted Fri, Feb 26, 8:41 a.m. Inappropriate
The best way to do trains on 520 is to keep the HOV, and add new pontoons for rail. But that's a separate issue.
Posted Fri, Feb 26, 9:10 a.m. Inappropriate
Here's an interesting comment submitted to me by Steve Silverberg, a Microsoft employee:
As both a Microsoft employee and resident of Roanoke Park who commutes across the bridge every day and will bear the brunt of the 7 year construction of 520, I am surprised and disappointed that the press has overlooked 2 huge flaws in the current design. I attended the Tuesday open house and have been involved in discussions with WASHDOT for over 10 years so these 2 points are well vetted.
While it's easy to ridicule the long process of reaching a final decision on SR 520, it's still just as important to get it right, especially given the massive price tag and huge 7 year construction impact on our region. Aside from the light rail issue and poorly conceived interchange at Montlake, there are at least 2 other key flaws to the current proposal that must be addressed.
The current plan only allows 1 HOV lane to connect directly from 520 to I5 and it reverses just like the I5 express lanes do today. The current plan would only enable continuous HOV for East Side commuters coming to Seattle in the morning and heading back to the eastside in the evening. This means that the worst traffic segment, evening westbound commuters, would still face a clogged commute as these new HOV lanes merge back with general purpose lanes as they do today. Ironically those Microsoft employees (like myself) who commute daily from Seattle, as well as those east-siders who wish to attend evening events in Seattle will still face a clogged roadway only marginally better than we have today. Is this really worth $4B? We could fix the existing bridge and add shoulders for a fraction of that cost and get the same basic results.
The second and infuriating issue to Seattle residents in Capitol Hill, Eastlake, Portage Bay and Roanoke Park is the issue of lids. These are documented in the EIS as key mitigation for noise, pollution and pedestrian safety. However, the EIS states very clearly that these lids are the lowest priority and would be deferred in the event of insufficient funding. Since there is already insufficient funding (more than $2B) it seems pretty obvious that these lids would be deferred or cut completely since there is no law or language that mandates that they be built. If they are going to be used to justify the environmental impact of the new roadway then they must be guaranteed and codified.
The "just built it" mentality is fine as long as we get it right. The city may be late to table in terms of taking a firm stand on some of these poor design issues, but better now than hacking together yet another in the series of poorly implemented transit solutions especially one that is likely to exceed $5 Billion when all is said and done.
-- Steve Silverberg
Posted Fri, Feb 26, 11:13 a.m. Inappropriate
I agree with Steve. The most frustrating aspect of the Supplemental Draft Envionmnetal Impact Statement (SDEIS) we're wading through is what it doesn't cover. A+ was the favored option, but the SDEIS covers the old A, K, and L options with short paragraphs devoted to suboptions, one of which is A+. And although the text admits that the Phased Implementation scenario is the most likely--floating bridge, Portage Bay Bridge, west approach, etc . . . . lids maybe someday--the SDEIS doesn't speak to that eventuality. All of the findings of no adverse effects on communities are heavily dependent on the lids and those hideous noise walls as cure-alls, itself a questionable judgment. There is no measurement at all of the effects on communities of a wider, higher bridge carrying more vehicles and the probable indefinite postponement of lid construction. There is no coverage of the No Build option with tolling, either, even though tolling is expected to start up in spring 2011 while we're still trying to come up with a good bridge design. If I-90 were tolled, too, we might learn something about the effects of tolling for congestion management on a four-lane SR 520. If we need time to come up with a good design and facilities for light rail, I'd like to enjoy this pipe dream meanwhile: We do what we can afford for now (imagine!). We fix the four-lane bridge for safety's sake, adding wider shoulders for disabled vehicles, toll both bridges for congestion management (with exemptions for environmental justice and Mercer Island residents), and we build the lids as early as possble. After so much bad faith, that would be WSDOT's act of good faith with the communities to protect them from the horrific effects of what is most recently projected to be an eight-year construction project.
Ultimately, light rail with shuttles to get people around from the central points seems so common-sensical. And the more we have of it, the less will be the need for shuttles. The only trouble with our current light rail and streetcars is that the systems aren't built out yet. Where they work, they work like a dream--swift and comfortable.
Posted Fri, Feb 26, 12:19 p.m. Inappropriate
Thirteen years of studies and meetings hardly seems like a "just build it mentality.
The No Build option is not an option. There is no question we will have another earthquake or another serious wind storm. There is no fix for 520, it has been fixed to the extent it can. The No Build option is only a study guide.
Light rail is not an option. Sound Transit does not have financing for light rail across 520. Sound Transit does not have financing for a new station at 520. The distance between the UW Station and 520 is too short for two stations. Light rail across 520 has no destinations. Light rail would also remove ridership from the East Link line already financed to provide light rail between Overlake and Seattle. The logical next step for light rail would be through Kirkland, Bothell and Kenmore where it could accomodate the most ridership. That could also alleviate congestion on 522, which will certainly become an alternate for toll weary drivers.
Posted Sat, Feb 27, 3:03 p.m. Inappropriate
McGinn is right to throw an elbow right now. There is no excuse for WSDOT presenting plans with no transit connection at Montlake/UW. It's ridiculous. And 'Rail later' plans have to be 'installed' Now, Not later.
I wish you realized how mean-spirited WSDOT treats Seattle. Lower Queen Anne is to become a freight route up 2-lane Mercer Place to Aurora. No thanks. The route is 4 stoplights to SR99 SouthB. The other way is 20 stoplights on the surface. Some thousands will drive through Lower Queen Anne and trucks too.
Mercer to I-5 is Actually not bad, but Mercer West stinks you better believe it buddy. It stinks and Tunnelite is way better than Deepboor.
They'll be thanking you one day soon Mike. Good for you. You're doin' fine. Just in time. Stop Deepbore. Consider Tunnelite. Look at frontage road. Look at Tunnelite north portal, elevated as it is, replanted, a planted garden edge with walking/bicycling path up. Extend Steinbrueck Park south from its level and slight gradient downhill to meet path.
Posted Sat, Feb 27, 9:22 p.m. Inappropriate
This is who McGinn is, combative, argumentitive, disrespectful of those that do not agree with his point of view. As his term in office wears on all of us he will ear out his welcome.
It will matter little as time goes on where I do, or do not, agree with him. It becomes in spite of him, and not because of him that anything will get done around here.
As to the "real" basketball point, McGinn may be driving off somebody with the power and money to build a private arena, making KeyArena a city liability.
It is stunning just how poorly some of these things are being handled by the mayor.
Posted Sun, Feb 28, 8:40 a.m. Inappropriate
Blah blah, Baker, blah-blah blabbety blah...
Seattle has a mayor for the century. He's the man of the year.
McGinn for Governor!!
!! Governor McGinn !!
This is my prediction. Statewide support will build for him to run should he so choose in the future. He probably will, expecting to win or not. Baker, Seattle City Hall needs this shaking awake so it can wise up. Good conservatives see McGinn fighting for the people. Local Seattle and Olympia transit and transportation afficionados are the worst. McGinn is standing up to them, as I see it. The deep-bore is not a good plan at all, Ob vious lee.
Posted Sun, Feb 28, 8:24 p.m. Inappropriate
Silverberg's thoughtful piece has two flaws: It perpetuates the present and it satisfies his personal preferences.
First, Silverberg is trying to make the current situation work, but there is no prima facie reason why commuting patterns will be the same in twenty years. If the solution is present-oriented it will be out of date probably in 10 years. The question is about what the best mix is for the next fifty years. For example, what would the effect of significant tolls be on single-occupant vehicles? Changes in transit produce changes in behavior, they don't just accommodate them.
Second, and I'm sorry if I sound callous, but if Silverberg wants a better commute to Microsoft he should move to the Eastside. There is no particular reason why the citizens of Washington State should accommodate his residential preferences. The reverse is also true: if someone wants to work in downtown Seattle, then let them move to downtown or some place on an existing transit route, rather than assume we have to pay for creating a new one that matches his/her preferences. Every citizen can't eat their cake and have it too. They have no justifactory reason for asking all of us to pay for their commute because they chose to live far from their work. That post-World War II assumption of the Boomer generation must be undone for us to develop a coherent transportation policy of the future.
Posted Sun, Feb 28, 8:47 p.m. Inappropriate
"Silverberg tries to make current situation work but there's no prima facie why commuting patterns will be the same in twenty years. If the solution is present-oriented, will it be out of date in 10 years? The point is, planners should be dealing with best Transit-Transport engineering for the next 50-100 years."
Fair Point. Question:
Why did WSDOT present final plan with missing transit component?
Answer: They're highway planners.
Posted Mon, Mar 1, 6:13 a.m. Inappropriate
WSDOT took out the freeway bus stop because Montlake did not want it. It increases the freeway width and it serves no direct destination. If people want to go the UW, take a bus directly to the UW. If they want to go to Seattle then go directly to Seattle. Montlake is not a good hub.
Posted Mon, Mar 1, 9:03 a.m. Inappropriate
My Point in raising the 2 issues regarding 520 is not to bemoan the fact that my commute to the East Side will be just as bad as it is today, but to point out that spending $5B on a plan that neither addresses mass transit or tangibly improves the roadway makes no sense. If the real issue is simply fixing the bridge and avoiding the impact of a huge storm or earthquake then lets pick a more rationale and cheaper plan - fix the existing bridge and add shoulders. That would cost substantially less and be a much more responsible response.
The No-build option was a false strawman that did not model the existence of tolls and shoulders - the latter being the biggest issue today that there is no way to remove cars easily from the roadway when there are stalls and accidents.
Remember also why this has taken 13 years. The public voted down spending for this project. Its not simply analysis paralysis. While there may be a perception that the public is fed up with the long duration of this process, they voted with their feet and rejected the last plan.
Steve Silverberg
Posted Mon, Mar 1, 12:26 p.m. Inappropriate
I agree with what Silverberg is saying as it is important for this new bridge to work for both the East side and the West side commute. As bkochis has stated lets just move every time one gets a new job so we avoid the 520 bridge. Well, we did that and moved from the East side to live in Seattle as we worked in seattle, got rid of one vehicle so we could use public transit more easily and then 1 year later my husbands company moved to LA. The Seattle office was moved to the Bellevue office. Do we and others now move to the East side - NO!!! When new roads are being built we make sure they are well thought out and get all the major problems figured out before we start building!
-TALKB
Posted Mon, Mar 1, 12:38 p.m. Inappropriate
The net effect of the current plans is to preclude transit options while causing cars to sit in eternal congestion. This makes no sense! The one-way connection to I-5 made sense when it was first conceived 20 years ago, but does not fit today's traffic patterns. And the lack of transit certainly will not work 20 years from now!
I am glad that Mayor McGinn responded to Microsoft's full page ad. That's not cheeky; that's standing up for your people. It would be great if Microsoft, like the mayor, looked ahead 20 years. Microsoft could help achieve better transit and better carbon profile by innovation or by buying downtown Seattle skyscrapers... but it is not helpful for them to endorse a half-baked plan.
Posted Mon, Mar 1, 11:56 p.m. Inappropriate
The planned, reversible HOV ramp connecting 520 and I5 is a joke. As noted by Silberberg, it won't help because the more severe traffic runs opposite/perpendicular to the direction of the express lanes -- North from Seattle and east to 520 in the mornings and west on 520 and south I-5 in the afternoons. Check out the archive traffic maps on WSDOT or just ask any daily commuter that travels the route. All those fancy Sound Transit express buses (there will be twice as many without the Montlake Flyer stop because Sound Transit will run them from both the UW and Downtown to the Eastside) will just be sitting in general traffic lanes, waiting to merge like the rest of the single occupant vehicles and providing a disincentive to those that are willing to give up their space-hogging cars to support mass transit. Hence, the case for dedicated transit lanes from the start.
Sound Transit has gobs of money to run light rail over 520 instead of I-90. Prop 1 was a statewide vote and the people clearly voted for a regional transit plan and are not wedded to the specific I-90 route for light rail. In addition, I-90 has serious structural issues and will require an expensive retrofit, if it is even technically possible. Besides that, the rail face serious opposition in South Bellevue where they will need to run through protected wetlands. Meanwhile, 520 is required by law to have pontoons and structures to carry light rail and will be built to handle the load from the start. The comment that a 520 light rail would not carry many passengers is bunk. To the contrary, one of the reasons Sound Transit was initially afraid of 520 was because it would attract too much ridership and would potentially overwhelm their UW-Downtown Seattle line. Talk about deeply weird!
Posted Tue, Mar 2, 9:27 a.m. Inappropriate
A+ with a firm commitment to the west side lid is the probable ultimate compromise.
Posted Tue, Mar 2, 11:25 a.m. Inappropriate
It's gratifying to see reason begin to prevail in these posts. The discussion has moved from crude impatience to real consideration of 21st-century issues, which any transportation project we undertake needs to accommodate. The arguments ad hominem, charges of NIMBY, get old. The people in the communities adjacent to the project are naturally going to inform themselves. They know the present conditions intimately, prize the Arboretum and the waters everybody enjoys, and are well equipped to figure out what the new, massive project will do to the environment and the urban neighborhoods Seattle is famous for. Present-day commuters are knowledgable about the realities of commuting now and in a position to figure out whether the proposed new project, will be a boon or $4.65 billion's worth ($9 billion when the bonds are paid off) of ruin for not much gain. Sorry, but after 13 years, we do need more time. This bad design put together by a committee making trade-offs is not the solution to be bullied into. Let's buy some time by fixing or retrofitting the bridge, adding intermittent shoulders for disabled vehicles, and installing the variable tolling project (scheduled for Spring 2011) on both SR 520 and I-90 (will need a federal waiver for I-90). Events, time, and congestion tolling should make design needs and priorities more apparent than they are now.