Jolt: The arena and the governor's race

The day's winners and losers.


Today's loser: The arena proposal

The Seattle City Council (much like the King County Council earlier this week) has no intention of rubber-stamping the mayor's half-billion-dollar "self-financed" arena proposal. 

At the first meeting of the council's arena oversight committee this morning, council members had tough questions for city staffers and arena consultant Carl Hirsh, who is receiving nearly $20,000 a month to advise the city on the arena proposal. 

After listening to a presentation about all the arena's purported benefits — among them, promoting civic engagement, spurring economic development, and, in deputy budget director Hall Walker's words, "promoting cultural vitality" — council members had some pointed questions. 

First: When will San Francisco hedge fund manager Chris Hansen, who has proposed building the stadium with a combination of his own cash and public money, reveal the members of the mysterious "investment group" that will fund his portion of the stadium? Hansen has so far refused to tell the media or city officials who the potential investors are, although they're reportedly all familiar Seattle names.

"Before the council will act, we will have to have disclosure of who all these principal players are and who is investing," council member Tim Burgess said. Council member Tom Rasmussen added that he wouldn't feel comfortable signing off on the arena until the city had looked into the investors' credit histories, court records, and financial information.  

Walker said it was up to Hansen, who was not at today's meeting, "to communicate the list of investors to you all" when he decides to do so. That will reportedly happen sometime in the next two weeks. 

Second: Why is the city on the hook for as much as $120 million, while the county's contribution is capped at $5 million if Hansen fails to secure an NHL team? (That number jumps to $80 million if Hansen manages to secure both an NHL and an NBA team.) Put another way, why does the cost-sharing split change so dramatically if Hansen fails to lure the NHL — from a 60-40 city-county split, to a scenario where the city's contribution is more like 90 percent?

Council members and city staff went around and around on this one, with staffers explaining — less than helpfully — that the city has a larger tax base (and thus a greater ability to issue debt) than the county, and council members asking — several times, in fact — why the city's ability to pay more translated to an agreement to pay more. 

Ultimately, the staffers didn't really answer the question, except that the city has already committed to buy the land back from Hansen for the arena at a cost of up to $100 million, so "the extent of the county involvement really becomes quite a bit less" than the city's, especially without an NHL team, Walker said.

"The county is looking at themselves as sort of the extra piece of financing over and above what the city can finance on its own," Hirsh said. "It's a question of risk to the county." 

Walker subsequently denied, however, that an NBA-only arena is inherently riskier than one that's home to both the NBA and the NHL.

Third: About that $100 million payment to Hansen: Isn't that a pretty sweet deal, given that the land, most of which Hansen has already bought up, is certain to increase in value if the arena gets approved? 

Council member Sally Bagshaw summed the deal up this way: "So he got a great deal and now we pay for whatever it's appraised for" after the arena is approved. 

Walker said that although the potential arena "does add value," the $100 million cap should serve as a check on the city's payout to Hansen. Hansen spent an estimated $40 million on the land. 

One thing that was clear: Revenues to pay back the city's investment will not come from a new local sports TV network, as council members were initially told. Although the city and county can make money by selling naming rights to the arena, any TV profits would go to the team itself, not the arena's public investors.

The arena committee's next meeting is at 11 a.m. on June 6, in council chambers.

Today's Winner: Inconclusive

New polling from local political consultant Strategies 360 shows Republican Rob McKenna slightly ahead of Democrat Jay Inslee, 43 to 39. The poll could actually be good news for Inslee though: Compared to Strategies 360's previous poll from late last year, McKenna has dropped three points. He was ahead in September, 46 to 39.

Or bad news: Inslee hasn't budged. He was at 39 percent in September as well.

But perhaps there's another way to score the Inslee-McKenna standoff. The poll also took the voters' pulse on big policy issues on which the gubernatorial candidates diverge. Inslee has made a big deal of his support for gay marriage and McKenna's opposition. Score one for Inslee. Voters support gay marriage 54 to 33. And in fact, opposition to gay marriage has dropped. It was 35 percent against last year.

But wait. Score one for McKenna. Voters support charter schools, 51 to 25. McKenna has come out strong for charters. Inslee has come out against.

Tie breaker? Inslee's team has condemned McKenna for signing onto the anti-Obamacare lawsuit. But Washington voters are in favor of full repeal, 35 to 32. Point for McKenna.

But wait! How about this tie breaker? McKenna is sinking in King County. Once showing good numbers in the Puget Sound, he's down to 37 percent in King County. McKenna's okay numbers in King County (for a Republican) have been a potent stat for him. However, he needs to creep above 40 percent to win in November. He appears to be heading in the wrong direction.

The poll of 500 likely voters conducted between May 22 and 24 had a 4.4 percent margin of error, which leaves everything up in the air. McKenna's 43 to 39 edge falls within the margin of error.


Topics: Fizz/Jolt

About the Author

Erica C. Barnett was the news editor for Seattle's online news site, PubliCola, where she covered city hall, transportation, land use, and state politics. She had also been the news editor and city hall columnist for The Stranger. In 2007, the King County Municipal League named Erica its Government Affairs Reporter of the year. She can be reached at erica.barnett@crosscut.com.

Award-winning journalist Josh Feit founded and edited the online news site PubliCola, where he also did double duty as the state house reporter, covering the legislature in Olympia. Before that, for nine years, he was the news editor and political columnist at Seattle's alt-weekly, The Stranger. He can be reached at josh.feit@crosscut.com.

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Comments:

Posted Thu, May 31, 6:51 p.m. Inappropriate

Calling Mr. Baker....

Godwin

Posted Thu, May 31, 7:08 p.m. Inappropriate

Voters support charter schools 51 to 25? I call bullshit. Back that up with some evidence. Strategies 360 is a known pimp for charter school backers, and no real reporter would let a statement like that go unchallenged.

ivan

Posted Thu, May 31, 8:19 p.m. Inappropriate

I'm with Ivan. Where did this number come from? I have never seen it before and I'd like to know the source.

westello

Posted Thu, May 31, 8:33 p.m. Inappropriate

Haha, Melissa. The "source" is one of Strategies 360's push polls, no doubt.

ivan

Posted Thu, May 31, 7:35 p.m. Inappropriate

The NBA tv revenues go to the franchise owner as their revenue. The franchise owner pays rent from all of their combined revenue streams.
The city will not get paid directly from tv revenues.

And you completely failed to report the obvious joke in response to Bagshaw, that Hansen paid around $50 million according to Bagshaw but why would the city pay more? Answer: the appraised value might be $60 or $80 million because the permitting process adds value to the property.
The Seattle process adds value, ha!
It is true that "warehouse" property is not as valuable as "arena" property, but the way it was stated was comedy gold.

Mr Baker

Posted Thu, May 31, 8:32 p.m. Inappropriate

Hansen paid $23 million and will likely double his investment on that parcel alone. That is the real reason why no other site is "viable".

The "process" adds value. Look at the sales records for that big hole in the ground across the street from city hall. Land owner----->up zone---->permits---->flip4ca$h. Happened all the time during the commercial real estate bubble when DPD was up zoning as fast as possible. It's been the game here since at least the early 90s.

The only "mistake" Bagshaw made was to inflate Hansen's purchase prices. I sure hope you set her straight.

Godwin

Posted Sun, Jun 3, 4:43 p.m. Inappropriate

The city had not planned to purchase the property now owned by Hansen. The city has no need to purchase this property now. The city definately
does not need to purchase any property that has been artificially inflated in price because of "deals" made in secret.

The city does not need to pay anything for this property. Paying Hansen profit on property from public funds is not even building an arena. It is just the benefit to Hansen of secret deals; and corrupt, or compliant Mayors.

jhande

Posted Thu, May 31, 8:58 p.m. Inappropriate

Did anyone ask why he can't just buy his own stadium?

Trevor

Posted Fri, Jun 1, 7:29 a.m. Inappropriate

Is the city paying the arena consultant (what is that?) Hirsch nearly $20,000 a month? If so, I'd like to know what exactly makes this person worth that kind of money. I can't think of an answer to that that I would find acceptable. If the city isn't paying him, who is?

mspat

Posted Fri, Jun 1, 10:19 a.m. Inappropriate

Whoever claims that "the city has already committed to buy the land back from Hansen for the arena at a cost of up to $100 million" is playing fast and loose with the facts. There has been NO OFFICIAL ACTION BY THE CITY COUNCIL on this supposed "commitment", and surely McGinn cannot make this commitment solely on his own authority.

Now, if I'm wrong on this, and taxpayers really are committed already to giving Hansen a $60 million profit on his land purchase, something is very, very wrong with this deal. Is a mayoral dictatorship?

And notice how the proponents' story keeps changing. First, it had to be both the NBA and NHL, no now. First, the MOU would not be binding, and now it is? And this: "Revenues to pay back the city's investment will not come from a new local sports TV network, as council members were initially told...TV profits would go to the team itself, not the arena's public investors."

The more that is revealed about this deal, the more it is clear the public MUST HAVE A PUBLIC VOTE. Demand it. Don't let this go down through backroom political deals.

Posted Sat, Jun 2, 10:23 a.m. Inappropriate

This state supports the McKenna Obamacare appeal? I'd like to see some non-spun numbers on that.

Posted Sat, Jun 2, 11:31 a.m. Inappropriate

On the charter school polling, Erica fails to report several key items. A full 24% of the respondents said they did not have enough information to respond. That is a HUGE number that she did not report here.

As well, the poll states that the support for charters - their own language, is "soft".

Any poll numbers can be interpreted by a reporter but first, you have to accurate report the numbers and what the poll taker themselves say.

westello

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