Podcast | Last year, white Americans pledged anti-racism. Where are they now?

‘White Fragility’ author Robin DiAngelo and Slate podcast host Jason Johnson discuss the massive cultural changes since the murder of George Floyd.

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Jason Johnson and Robin DiAngelo

From left: Jason Johnson and Robin DiAngelo. (Courtesy photos)

In the months after the murder of George Floyd, many institutions and white people across the country were openly grappling with the idea of whiteness — in particular, what responsibility white people and white-led institutions bear in addressing racism in American society. 

Anti-racist statements were issued from corporate accounts and personal pledges made on social media. A year later, the national conversation about racism continues as the cultural shift promised in those early days meets reality. 


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In some places, stated goals of diversity, equity and inclusion are coming up against headwinds created by a status quo that is pretty resistant to change. 

For this episode of the Crosscut Talks podcast, we speak with Robin DiAngelo, the author of White Fragility: Why It's So Hard for White People to Talk About Race. Interviewer Jason Johnson, who hosts Slate's A Word podcast, speaks with her about what has actually changed in the past year and what still needs to happen.